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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg on the para cast with

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Gene and Chris a couple of minutes we'll

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be talking to dr. John Alexander but

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first I want to ask Chris couple of

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things mentioned briefly on the after

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the para cast episode last week and if

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you want to hear that by the way you

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information but what I wanted to just

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mention briefly here Chris is you went

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off on the one the only Leslie came in

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that segment and the question I have you

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know with everything else does it even

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matter I mean isn't she getting decent

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publicity for UFOs well in terms of

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Leslie Kane you know what what can you

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say she you know she was a Budd Hopkins

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girlfriend she has some knowledge about

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about the subject I don't find her to be

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an authority by any stretch the

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imagination and because she is being

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singled out as a you know a focused

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person within this particular latest

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saga this story the media is is acting

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like she's an expert and that she she is

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one of the people that really knows a

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great deal about about the subject and

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about the field in the history and and

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the players and and all the things that

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go into that and and I beg to differ I

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don't I don't feel she has that

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expertise she's a good writer she's a

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you know a good journalist but I don't

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think she could hold her own in a

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conversation with a Jerry Clark with a

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Stanton Friedman with myself with other

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individuals in the field who have spent

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years reading all the books getting up

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to speed on all the various theories all

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the cases I just don't think she's done

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her due diligence and I don't think she

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should be treated with the same amount

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of gravitas and respect that

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Friedman or a Kevin Randle or Jerry

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Clark's be should be awarded and it's my

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own personal feeling John have you ever

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met Leslie came oh yes

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what's your perception about her well

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I'm not sure quite where this was

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generating this topic obviously a good

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researcher I did do a blurb for her

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recent book on surviving death I wasn't

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impressed there with first-hand

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experiences has had nothing to do with

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UFOs obviously I'm not sure what is

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generated in this comment or what well I

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mentioned last week that conversation

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that I had mentioned John last week that

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I just didn't feel that I felt that

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there were a much better spokespeople

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to represent the field than Leslie Kane

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that's just my own personal opinion I

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think Stan Jerry Clark

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Kevin Randall I mean there's a whole

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slew of individual a field I'm not sure

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what's driving that

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there's nothing driving it it's just you

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know I was asked about her and about her

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work and I like I said I think she's a

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good journalist but when it comes to

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thank you missing a key piece to this

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puzzle room okay what am I'm about it's

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this goes back to Chris Mellon who was

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on she had a board looking into these

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areas and he was one of the advisors

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that happens to be one of the key people

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who knows not only her but the various

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news outlets as well and he's the one

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who brought her in and brought the New

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York Times and all these pieces together

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so she didn't just jump up and no I

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didn't say that she did I I'm glad that

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that's clarified though that he was he

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was on the board of what UFO data I

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forget the name of the organization she

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had one but he had a personal

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relationship with her and I mean that's

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professional sense now yes but was the

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one who again he knew from his positions

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in the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill knew

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the various media outlets as well and I

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know that he he was involved with a

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couple other friends of mine and

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bringing her the videos and getting very

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early access there so that's how that

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all evolved yeah okay well that's good

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you know I didn't know exactly how that

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shook out initially but it's good to

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know again I really think that it's a

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positive step forward I think for the

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field to get the kind of the kind of a

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measured measured response from the

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media but but at least one that's not

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whistling Star Trek or the twilight zone

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theme songs or talking about tinfoil

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hats and little green men that's been

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the bane of the UFO fields existence in

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the media for many many decades so just

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looking at that I think it's a good step

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forward but you know I really have a

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sense that that this whole thing is not

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as it appears that there are some

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problems with the actual footage with

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the story that's attached to it I think

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that there's as I put it I think in a

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post it's a little downwind of the

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Danish fish market as far as I'm

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concerned but you know I'd love to be

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proven wrong I really I really feel that

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again like I said that this is a

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positive step forward and I think it may

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have been an exercise to see how the

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absolutely not the way it's derived this

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was a small internal organization the

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guy running it got finally exasperated

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you know stepped out it's pretty much

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the way you see it the biggest problem I

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think they have is you know that you

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have calmed long sitting stating certain

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things like in the Rogaine

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Rogen interview and some other pretty

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straightforward people trying to you

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know do serious research but if you

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think this is highly coordinated inside

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the Pentagon oh no no no I don't think I

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understand maddis didn't even know about

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it and so like hours before the New York

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Times article came out

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no no III wouldn't think the Pentagon

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would have anything to do with this I

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it's way below their radar I was just

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saying that the way the thing has been

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has unfolded it's it's looked like a way

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to see how the the media is going to

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respond to the subject people who are

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engaged with the media developing the

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story from what I understand New York

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Times and did not jump up and down and

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say oh this is a really good thing that

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they did considerable due diligence

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before they even agreed to print the

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story now what we know probably been on

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television programs but if you go into

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any TV station and the newscast NORAD

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there's a line of programs up there and

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there everybody's watching everybody

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else and as soon as one tips you know

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the nest

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le'me twos get on there very very

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quickly rush to be second is tremendous

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so therefore they see something in the

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New York Times the talking heads are

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jumping for joy the producers are trying

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to find out more information about it

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The Times in Politico both had the story

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there was concern in that as to who was

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going to go first the agreement was that

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they would publish simultaneously I

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understand there's a three minute

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differential between the times that

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between the time the New York Times push

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the button and political followed yeah

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but they were both

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involve sales had to be really convinced

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to even touch the story this is not

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something that the senior leadership at

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either publication was you know running

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after and say oh we got to have this

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story it was you got to convince us that

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it you know it's going to stand scrutiny

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you know well what do you think tipped

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it over so that this particular

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installment of the saga was picked up in

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and run with by the time so what what

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pushed it over the over the top form do

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you think before you answer John I

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wanted just to our break Colonel John B

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Alexander we're talking about the

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Pentagon UFO study and the ramifications

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and other issues with gene and Chris

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here what tips or caused the decision to

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issues only one I know they had to show

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the videos and there are more than what

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of political the others got involved to

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do significant background research who

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again they did not want to get in front

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of their headlights have this come back

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to bite him in the ass but this was not

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like the molar you know everything that

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molar does in that investigation

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everybody wants that story

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this is warmer was they prove it to us

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that it's valid and you know can be

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supported and we're not going to get

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hurt I mean there is unlike some of the

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other things there's a huge amount of

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risk aversion and the media were dealing

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with these kind of stories this is a

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thing to point out here too as much as

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the mainstream media is maligned a

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publication like the New York Times

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Politico The Washington Post they have

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fact checkers and editors and everyone

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else and they're pretty careful with a

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provocative in any way it's not just

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quick coverage of a disaster or

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something or crime and they were they

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helped us for a while I don't know when

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they first got the information I know

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Leslie was given access to the

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information a couple of months earlier

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so they were sitting on it and I think

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from what I understand the editors were

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very insistent that they crossed the T's

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and dotted the eyes before they went

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with a story when did you first become

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acquainted with what was going on here

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with regard to the study that got into

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the hands of Robert Bigelow Oh frankly

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when the story broke in the New York

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Times I was not aware of that

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it was ongoing internally here at all of

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course you worked with needs but at what

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point did that closed down to 2002 or

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something that be about right another

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ninety five six years yeah around 2002

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and it kind of went in pieces it was not

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instantaneous drop there were several my

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status and Eric Davis changed a bit

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before he was going to go into kind of a

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could get assigned by specific projects

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and then terminated the entire operation

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shortly thereafter yeah I remember Bruce

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Cornett was brought in as the last

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manager if I remember correctly no

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column was

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you know I think not always I was there

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before column Kelleher but he was a

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deputy administrator oh yeah yeah

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because I remember I was I got I did a

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whole round of calls everybody yourself

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John Schuessler whoever I could get on

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the phone basically when Jack Sarfati

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floated that crazy rumor fifteen years

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ago that that got somehow late at my

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desk and on my lap and in did quite a

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bit of bad cat Linda disassociate myself

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from the rumor and also find out if

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there was anything to it well you know

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another thing that's been coming up John

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is you know you're good friends with

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Robert big well I would assume because

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you've known him for quite some time and

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you both are kind of locals there in in

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Las Vegas it seems like well but you

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know you know him pretty well I would I

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would say I would venture I guess that I

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would say you're you're pretty good

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friends with him because of your your

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like interests I'm sure and the fact

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that you you know we're signed on to

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help out with an its program how is it

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that he seems to be popping up now in

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the middle of anything that has to do

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with with this story he just he seems to

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be right right smack dead in the middle

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of this as I understand as in contrary

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to popular belief this was not an obit

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or sole-source contract I understand it

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was and one was a natural he had the

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facilities is involved actively in

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space-exploration

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had run-ins had the people who had

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interest in the area the infrastructure

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necessarily to do the requirements one

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of the big things remember and most know

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this but there's 22 million dollars

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been battered about and scattered over

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five years and Pentagon terms you're not

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even talking lunch money well you know

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it's like for example if I gave a penny

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compared to somebody who had $100 in the

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bank that would be too much but the

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question I have here is you mentioned

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that it was a bid contract who bid who

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offered their services in addition to

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Bigelow that's not the way it works I

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don't know just have heard from others

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that the contract was put out it was

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probably put out what you call an RFP or

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request for Proposal probably done in

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very small circles I mean if I had to

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guess you'd find folks like Lockheed or

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you know others in the aerospace

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probably some small research orangie

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companies who might have been it others

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not like you know I want to say I have

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no knowledge that Lockheed was one I

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just mentioned them as people who have

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done Advanced Research and individuals

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and there's only one of the key people

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who went with to the stars they came out

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of the skunkworks I also know from much

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earlier experience as mentioned that Ben

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rich who was the second director of the

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skunk works was a personal acquaintance

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and we had met several times and

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discussed this in some detail he of

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course had since transition but you know

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he certainly had the right kinds of

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people there so who thought it went up

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don't know but it was I am told that it

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was not a sole source bid I allow

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something's been Empress has been made

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about a personal relationship between

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Harry Reid and Bob Bigelow and they

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certainly do know each other and George

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Knapp also deserves some credit in there

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research he was doing and skinwalker

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radio so the question here is something

561
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like this there have been different

562
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interpretations of how this contract

563
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came to be is it in any part as a favor

564
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to Senator Reid remember he was Senate

565
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Majority Leader at the time a very

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powerful politician but they throw him a

567
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bone for doing this or he just make a

568
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good they're giving out okay they're

569
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letting a contract for twenty two

570
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million dollars who makes that decision

571
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not the way it works at all

572
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I refer people to chapter 5 of my book

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UFOs miss conspiracies reality is a

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fundamental mistake of thinking how the

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government work again they wouldn't

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somebody again in this case Defense

577
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Intelligence Agency would have put out

578
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:26,119
an RFP and this can be a limited or RFP

579
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is a request for proposal it goes to

580
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people in it now many but the open ones

581
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are available in the CBD you're like

582
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Congress will forget the exact now but

583
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it's a daily book where they put out all

584
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of the requests for proposal by the

585
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government and this can include you know

586
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Rd like we're talking about buying

587
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toilet paper or tanks or airplanes but

588
00:28:59,739 --> 00:28:56,629
there's a very set proposal these are

589
00:29:01,690 --> 00:28:59,749
handled by admin kinds of folks not the

590
00:29:05,529 --> 00:29:01,700
people who are running the program now

591
00:29:08,049 --> 00:29:05,539
in this case they had obviously advanced

592
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to the point where they convinced Reno

593
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Reid was not alone in this Senator

594
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Stevens was involved

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one of the things I had not known as

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that Stephens had had a personal

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experience actually seeing a UFO when he

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was a pilot in the Air Force

599
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you also had Daniel yeah away from

600
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Hawaii who was involved so they were

601
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able to get it you had money and

602
00:29:40,499 --> 00:29:36,460
remember of the department was involved

603
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in advanced aerial threats which is far

604
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broader than UFOs obviously be a small

605
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piece of what was going on there could

606
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be done in the open and what they did is

607
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what Congress always does earmark small

608
00:30:01,249 --> 00:29:56,499
amount of money now the proposal goes

609
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out as fulfilled by you know some agency

610
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well I wanted to understand the process

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here so our listeners can understand how

612
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something like this would come to be

613
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then again as you say over a period of

614
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several years 22 million dollars is a

615
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drop in the bucket but remember forget

616
00:30:22,229 --> 00:30:20,169
the 22 million go to four or five I mean

617
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that's the level of this is it

618
00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:26,169
eventually became 22 I might remind you

619
00:30:32,609 --> 00:30:29,470
that the UFO program I'm sorry remote

620
00:30:36,749 --> 00:30:32,619
viewing program that went on the SR I

621
00:30:40,379 --> 00:30:36,759
and then later to SAIC was about twenty

622
00:30:43,379 --> 00:30:40,389
million dollars over a longer period but

623
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the point is that everybody jumps on the

624
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:47,409
20 million dollars now for you I I am

625
00:30:52,259 --> 00:30:49,769
assuming that if that appeared in our

626
00:30:52,830 --> 00:30:52,269
personal bank account it would be a big

627
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deal

628
00:31:00,810 --> 00:30:55,779
well we amortize it and you look at this

629
00:31:04,409 --> 00:31:00,820
by the way I did do the numbers on this

630
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:04,419
contract and said from the DoD

631
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perspective it is 0.001 percent of the

632
00:31:16,229 --> 00:31:14,710
budget we're talking noise and again one

633
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:16,239
of the things that happened and the

634
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reason they were able to go as long as

635
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they were it was so far and the noise

636
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that nobody was looking at us seriously

637
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:27,020
when the visible

638
00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:30,050
they popped up that's when the problems

639
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started then you started people saying

640
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why are we spending that money this is

641
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by the way very consistent with what I

642
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:42,530
had found 30 years ago remember

643
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I ran a similar program starting in the

644
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A's whole two decades two to three

645
00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:54,740
decades before this one started I give

646
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them credit and being able to get funded

647
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but the issues involved very much the

648
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same now you referring to the year where

649
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you work in Los Alamos no duty yeah

650
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,380
they're a similar team I have

651
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representatives from all of the services

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from various agencies in the

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intelligence community and from

654
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aerospace industry and it was a tea SSCI

655
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level program just like this and you

656
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:36,100
know came together to look and our

657
00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:41,090
response or conclusions were almost

658
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:44,840
identical to what has transpired here

659
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,470
they were able to get more data but as

660
00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:50,720
far as getting any closer to serious

661
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:54,140
answers don't think through there I want

662
00:32:59,980 --> 00:32:56,150
to add one thing though I think it is a

663
00:33:03,310 --> 00:32:59,990
mistake to put this in the Department of

664
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Defense or even necessarily in the

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government alone I think the if you got

666
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to solve any of these issues I don't

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know that they are solvable the effort

668
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,590
has to be much much broader now I

669
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understand exactly why they did because

670
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the procedures they followed seem to be

671
00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:23,860
almost identical to again what I did

672
00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:28,670
decades ago no well it sure has become

673
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quite the story of the century terms in

674
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this this particular subject do you

675
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think that we're going to see anything

676
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else come from this and

677
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of more acceptance in the media

678
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impossibly even congressional more

679
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congressional acceptance of the subject

680
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just as a legitimate area study will

681
00:33:56,860 --> 00:33:53,870
probably be push again if you read my

682
00:34:00,940 --> 00:33:56,870
book we almost had congressional

683
00:34:03,460 --> 00:34:00,950
hearings and say around 2000 I was still

684
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with knids at that time we had met with

685
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the congressman appendix to our books I

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mean I actually wrote the Charter draft

687
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charter for the congressional studies it

688
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didn't happen a lot of the problem well

689
00:34:23,050 --> 00:34:19,750
there are two things one was we had

690
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congressman Sensenbrenner who was then

691
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the head of the Air and Space Committee

692
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:29,960
who was adamantly opposed it was hell no

693
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not on his watch and that about the same

694
00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:35,389
time that we were trying we were going

695
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to just wait him out because they

696
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changed every two years about the time

697
00:34:46,089 --> 00:34:43,639
we got going some guy by the name of

698
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:46,099
Steven gray came to town and started

699
00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:48,050
beating the drum and scaring everybody

700
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,200
and yelling at the government you know

701
00:35:01,480 --> 00:34:57,680
you can still find the reports on on the

702
00:35:03,010 --> 00:35:01,490
Internet all support totally disappeared

703
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:03,020
at that point yeah

704
00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:05,900
no boy I'm wondering here though when

705
00:35:09,579 --> 00:35:07,460
you raise that issue and we have to

706
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split for a break in a moment then when

707
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you have people like a Steve angry or

708
00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:14,410
even a Steven Bassett make rather

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sometimes outrageous demands for UFO

710
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:19,250
disclosure if that doesn't have the

711
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reverse effect where they don't want to

712
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:23,570
get involved with these people and so

713
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:25,700
even people who might have something to

714
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:27,410
say will push back what do you think

715
00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:34,160
yeah contrary to what the UFO community

716
00:35:39,790 --> 00:35:36,440
they think this is the most important

717
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:39,800
thing since sexual sliced bread from a

718
00:35:46,570 --> 00:35:42,800
political perspective it is a strong

719
00:35:48,430 --> 00:35:46,580
negative the congressman that we were

720
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:48,440
dealing with I looked at him and said

721
00:35:54,670 --> 00:35:51,680
can you take a 20 point hit in the polls

722
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and I do not give you a specific example

723
00:36:03,340 --> 00:35:58,700
is Senator Pell who was from Rhode

724
00:36:06,580 --> 00:36:03,350
Island long long history as a leading

725
00:36:10,090 --> 00:36:06,590
senator many of the committee he brought

726
00:36:14,770 --> 00:36:10,100
it up and his opponent did bring up his

727
00:36:17,770 --> 00:36:14,780
interest in various phenomena and it did

728
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:17,780
take a 20-point hit in the poll the most

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interesting thing was we do know his

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opponent who lost but she was personally

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interested in these areas and was just

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Pentagon UFO study and kind of the

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856
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that it appears that sometimes the

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861
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senator who expresses an interest has

862
00:42:04,140 --> 00:41:59,859
senator Reid's said a lot about his

863
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:04,150
interest in UFOs has he said anything

864
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:07,599
much in public about his interest well

865
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:11,200
since this became known of course he is

866
00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:13,089
out of office now and that makes it very

867
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:17,830
safe for him not going to run again he

868
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,040
has said basically money well spent and

869
00:42:27,329 --> 00:42:23,680
just glad that they were involved and

870
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:27,339
thinks it's a valid area to research

871
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:29,830
I mean having said that you do not see

872
00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:34,089
him CNN or any of the major news

873
00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:37,750
networks addressing these issues the

874
00:42:45,150 --> 00:42:39,670
question I have of course here is how

875
00:42:47,579 --> 00:42:45,160
closely tied is this D long to what Bob

876
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:47,589
Bigelow is doing or is he just happened

877
00:42:54,750 --> 00:42:50,680
to be there you have to ask him as far

878
00:42:57,900 --> 00:42:54,760
as I know he came along after the

879
00:43:01,980 --> 00:42:57,910
program had the funded program had

880
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:01,990
closed I agree with the generals thing

881
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:05,800
that there are some efforts that that

882
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:08,410
are continuing don't know if there

883
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:12,359
or not or if it's just people who have

884
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:15,130
significant interest in the area the

885
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:18,960
long zipper to the stars is a private

886
00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:25,920
for public good effort that is I think

887
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:28,660
struggling for money I don't think

888
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:31,930
they're anywhere near what he had I

889
00:43:36,690 --> 00:43:34,210
think he'd anticipated getting in tens

890
00:43:38,999 --> 00:43:36,700
of millions I understand they're down

891
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:39,009
but between two and three

892
00:43:44,670 --> 00:43:41,849
well they got two million pretty quickly

893
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:44,680
they got two million pretty quickly it's

894
00:43:54,509 --> 00:43:51,250
pretty much been stagnant was not quick

895
00:43:57,870 --> 00:43:54,519
in my estimation and if you look at the

896
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number of donors and that are involved

897
00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:00,400
or and actually investors is there

898
00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:05,319
better term what you don't see is

899
00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:07,720
anybody coming in with ten million

900
00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:10,869
dollars you know you do not see major

901
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:14,829
investors the ones that I've talked to

902
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:17,920
who have is more like you know had

903
00:44:25,279 --> 00:44:20,940
sufficient funds and I'll do this just

904
00:44:30,299 --> 00:44:25,289
encourage them and just so I can keep

905
00:44:32,549 --> 00:44:30,309
access to the information so I guess

906
00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:32,559
it's a little bit of a time for

907
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:37,319
reassessment on their part still to mine

908
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:39,369
you know just looking at the whole thing

909
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:40,690
and listening to him speak I don't

910
00:44:47,579 --> 00:44:44,170
really understand you know where they

911
00:44:49,859 --> 00:44:47,589
want to do the most good I you know the

912
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entertainment part I mean that's a given

913
00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:52,000
you know people love to be entertained

914
00:44:57,150 --> 00:44:54,789
but when it comes to you know putting

915
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together programs that may be addressed

916
00:45:01,920 --> 00:44:59,680
in hard scientific investigation and

917
00:45:05,789 --> 00:45:01,930
research you know maybe some real

918
00:45:08,910 --> 00:45:05,799
world-class analytical work on on some

919
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:08,920
of the evidence that may be available to

920
00:45:17,269 --> 00:45:12,640
them I really don't see that much of a

921
00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:17,279
vision that really you know I think it's

922
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:19,990
I'm not sure how well conceived the

923
00:45:26,289 --> 00:45:21,609
whole thing is

924
00:45:28,709 --> 00:45:26,299
you know I I know the key people and I

925
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:28,719
think they have a pretty good idea but

926
00:45:36,189 --> 00:45:33,920
that I think some of the information

927
00:45:39,630 --> 00:45:36,199
that's been gleaned has given though

928
00:45:41,709 --> 00:45:39,640
help but off has talked about a better

929
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:41,719
understanding of some advanced

930
00:45:48,609 --> 00:45:45,410
propulsion techniques but we're talking

931
00:45:50,709 --> 00:45:48,619
about what we call basic science I mean

932
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:50,719
a very fundamental levels probably

933
00:45:56,849 --> 00:45:53,839
before you get to breadboard ballon

934
00:46:01,839 --> 00:45:56,859
brass board ie were we're building

935
00:46:04,539 --> 00:46:01,849
rudimentary models as I said I think on

936
00:46:08,499 --> 00:46:04,549
your program and certainly any other

937
00:46:11,799 --> 00:46:08,509
that I get a chance to you know I think

938
00:46:14,469 --> 00:46:11,809
that the phenomena or far broader than

939
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:14,479
just looking at UFOs and in fact I think

940
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:17,930
it's a mistake to stovepipe that yeah

941
00:46:24,009 --> 00:46:20,690
but further that whatever we're dealing

942
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:24,019
with is at least as complex as AIDS or

943
00:46:30,430 --> 00:46:28,160
cancer and we put tens or hundreds of

944
00:46:33,309 --> 00:46:30,440
billions of dollars into research in

945
00:46:38,829 --> 00:46:33,319
those areas so when we start talking a

946
00:46:42,579 --> 00:46:38,839
couple of million I think the term would

947
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:42,589
be chump change I think would be the

948
00:46:48,959 --> 00:46:44,049
other thing I'm wondering here is

949
00:46:52,109 --> 00:46:48,969
Bigelow has what over a billion dollars

950
00:46:59,289 --> 00:46:52,119
that's an assumption

951
00:47:01,089 --> 00:46:59,299
other hand then they need to go find a

952
00:47:04,029 --> 00:47:01,099
government source for twenty two million

953
00:47:05,529 --> 00:47:04,039
or could he just funded this himself we

954
00:47:08,499 --> 00:47:05,539
have he has been he's been spending

955
00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:08,509
millions of dollars and he writes like a

956
00:47:14,890 --> 00:47:11,150
wrench that cost a lot of dough well

957
00:47:18,849 --> 00:47:14,900
sure that's what I'm saying but more

958
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:18,859
money of his personal money and uh yeah

959
00:47:28,029 --> 00:47:22,160
and probably anybody in the history of

960
00:47:32,439 --> 00:47:28,039
the effort he also has Bigelow Aerospace

961
00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:32,449
and the has two satellites they're

962
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:33,700
circulating of

963
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:36,880
we speak it has a compartment that was

964
00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:40,510
attached to the ISS International Space

965
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:46,870
Station my understanding is that he has

966
00:47:55,170 --> 00:47:51,970
put I understand it's around 300 million

967
00:47:58,290 --> 00:47:55,180
of his private money into this venture

968
00:48:01,410 --> 00:47:58,300
with very little output and he used to

969
00:48:03,540 --> 00:48:01,420
joke and say in the quickest way for a

970
00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:03,550
billionaire to become a millionaire is

971
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:09,880
to invest in aerospace yeah yeah Elon

972
00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:12,850
Musk and and maybe even Bezos and a

973
00:48:16,410 --> 00:48:14,980
couple of others there you know if they

974
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:16,420
haven't found out already they're going

975
00:48:23,730 --> 00:48:19,570
to it's three steps forward two and five

976
00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:23,740
eight steps back it's no getting around

977
00:48:28,140 --> 00:48:26,230
the R&D curve you know well let's see

978
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:28,150
according to the published sources I

979
00:48:39,740 --> 00:48:30,690
checked Bigelow is worth a billion but

980
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:42,900
one of the greatest problems we have in

981
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:45,630
the u.s. today is the wealth disparity

982
00:48:54,060 --> 00:48:49,810
um somebody specifically whereas an

983
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:54,070
unfair wealth disparity okay so it says

984
00:48:57,180 --> 00:48:54,670
here

985
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,190
well this is the latest net worth ninety

986
00:49:02,700 --> 00:48:59,440
eight point six billion for Bezos Bill

987
00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:02,710
Gates ninety point two billion poor bill

988
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:05,560
Mark Zuckerberg seventy two point three

989
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:08,490
Elan musk twenty point six

990
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:17,220
well I you know I'm interested in when

991
00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:19,390
someone's gonna crack open the NRO and

992
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:21,160
find out what they know would not be

993
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:23,110
interesting the good old National

994
00:49:32,430 --> 00:49:28,180
Reconnaissance Office the problem that

995
00:49:36,450 --> 00:49:32,440
they encountered and one of the biggest

996
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:36,460
findings in the study that I ran was

997
00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:39,610
that nobody's in charge he heard my

998
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,040
presentation when I say there's good

999
00:49:46,140 --> 00:49:45,040
news and bad news right and that's both

1000
00:49:49,220 --> 00:49:46,150
of them are the

1001
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:49,230
government doesn't care and that's true

1002
00:49:57,029 --> 00:49:53,440
what you had with this study is the same

1003
00:50:00,799 --> 00:49:57,039
thing as a individual who was willing to

1004
00:50:05,220 --> 00:50:00,809
go out on the limb work his ass off and

1005
00:50:09,450 --> 00:50:05,230
make some minor advantages I think we

1006
00:50:12,990 --> 00:50:09,460
pointed out that he says the secretary

1007
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:13,000
did not whom he knew personally did not

1008
00:50:20,970 --> 00:50:16,089
know about the study until hours before

1009
00:50:24,620 --> 00:50:20,980
the New York Times yet so again people

1010
00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:24,630
just have no concept of how big

1011
00:50:29,370 --> 00:50:26,380
organizations particularly the

1012
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:29,380
government or Department of Defense work

1013
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:33,520
and how information moves yeah you can

1014
00:50:39,809 --> 00:50:37,569
mock up out and by the way the number

1015
00:50:42,299 --> 00:50:39,819
that I had been given was very close to

1016
00:50:44,789 --> 00:50:42,309
what was spent to talk to people who

1017
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:44,799
work in the black world said yeah you

1018
00:50:53,370 --> 00:50:48,250
can do about 20 million dollars before

1019
00:50:56,730 --> 00:50:53,380
you know real serious evaluation comes

1020
00:51:01,980 --> 00:50:56,740
in and you start having to compete for

1021
00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:01,990
money but this is a small level what

1022
00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:04,270
would be called discretionary funds and

1023
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:07,390
they covered it quite well by saying

1024
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:09,670
we're dealing with advanced threats and

1025
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:11,490
there certainly were other advancements

1026
00:51:20,849 --> 00:51:15,450
particularly with the acceleration of

1027
00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:20,859
drone or UAV technology yep so there's

1028
00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:23,380
certainly something that needs to be

1029
00:51:29,010 --> 00:51:25,660
studied seriously we got more to come

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1088
00:54:34,350 --> 00:54:31,390
and the publicity it's received we've

1089
00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:34,360
learned anything new or different about

1090
00:54:41,130 --> 00:54:39,100
UFOs you seem to be focusing obviously

1091
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:41,140
most of the discussions on nuts and

1092
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:44,290
bolts with regard to the study as

1093
00:54:48,060 --> 00:54:45,610
opposed to what we might have learned

1094
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:48,070
now you're talking physics do we know

1095
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:50,050
anything more about the science or

1096
00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:52,900
anything about UFOs I mean gun camera

1097
00:54:58,740 --> 00:54:55,870
photos are not going to necessarily lead

1098
00:55:01,640 --> 00:54:58,750
us to greater knowledge are they no and

1099
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:01,650
also the quality of those particular

1100
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:06,250
released bits of footage call many

1101
00:55:10,020 --> 00:55:07,810
things in the in the question in my mind

1102
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:10,030
I mean that looks like technology from

1103
00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:11,770
the 70s or 80s that we're looking at

1104
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:14,260
instead of you're totally missing the

1105
00:55:22,260 --> 00:55:18,370
point in that case it is not about gun

1106
00:55:23,940 --> 00:55:22,270
camera videos the point is that in the

1107
00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:23,950
incident that happened that occurred

1108
00:55:28,980 --> 00:55:26,500
over a period of a couple of weeks and

1109
00:55:32,670 --> 00:55:28,990
they mentioned that when that footage

1110
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:32,680
was taken you had three separate radar

1111
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:34,330
systems because people have talked about

1112
00:55:39,069 --> 00:55:36,610
the film and say oh it's just a fluke or

1113
00:55:41,319 --> 00:55:39,079
something you know you had three

1114
00:55:43,630 --> 00:55:41,329
take different radar you had the most

1115
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:43,640
advanced system of surface from the

1116
00:55:50,949 --> 00:55:47,450
ships you had the airborne command post

1117
00:55:54,339 --> 00:55:50,959
that was tracking it as well as the

1118
00:55:58,329 --> 00:55:54,349
aircraft themselves you had a new wax up

1119
00:56:00,130 --> 00:55:58,339
John I didn't know is that yep was a wax

1120
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:00,140
but I know there was an airborne command

1121
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:03,049
post that is the second system on the

1122
00:56:09,579 --> 00:56:06,650
third was the onboard system and the

1123
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:09,589
visual observation right so the point is

1124
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:12,799
that you have multi-sensory data and

1125
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:14,690
I've seen all of these arguments about

1126
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:17,089
you know how good is the film was

1127
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:20,329
released I suspect it was probably

1128
00:56:24,009 --> 00:56:23,599
degraded to some degree and that's the

1129
00:56:25,989 --> 00:56:24,019
point

1130
00:56:28,660 --> 00:56:25,999
I have reason to believe that before it

1131
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:28,670
was released because the issue is not

1132
00:56:34,420 --> 00:56:31,849
about UFOs it's about guarding sources

1133
00:56:36,370 --> 00:56:34,430
and methods specifically how good are

1134
00:56:39,099 --> 00:56:36,380
your sensors that's the thing you would

1135
00:56:41,049 --> 00:56:39,109
want to keep secret yeah and so that

1136
00:56:43,660 --> 00:56:41,059
would make sense why they would degrade

1137
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:43,670
the apparent quality there and that's

1138
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,249
very frustrating though because I know

1139
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:47,359
based on little bit of research that

1140
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:50,650
they do have quite amazing technological

1141
00:56:56,589 --> 00:56:54,410
capabilities nowadays to get back to

1142
00:57:00,039 --> 00:56:56,599
that's why I do not think this is a

1143
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:00,049
military issue but the military other

1144
00:57:05,529 --> 00:57:02,569
government agencies bring to the table

1145
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:05,539
are some pretty exquisite sensor systems

1146
00:57:11,469 --> 00:57:08,569
however remember this is a global

1147
00:57:14,890 --> 00:57:11,479
phenomenon has been going on for

1148
00:57:17,140 --> 00:57:14,900
millennia you can't bottle it up and

1149
00:57:20,259 --> 00:57:17,150
keep it you know this is going to be my

1150
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,269
UFOs if you will and I think we need a

1151
00:57:25,689 --> 00:57:21,920
global effort you certainly need

1152
00:57:28,269 --> 00:57:25,699
civilian institutions involved it gets

1153
00:57:31,209 --> 00:57:28,279
back to one of my mantras that I use in

1154
00:57:34,420 --> 00:57:31,219
every one that uses some reality denied

1155
00:57:37,479 --> 00:57:34,430
and say what we need to do is to make it

1156
00:57:40,359 --> 00:57:37,489
permissible for senior scientists across

1157
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:40,369
the board just government scientists to

1158
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:42,410
become involved and study these

1159
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:44,209
phenomena without risking their

1160
00:57:49,569 --> 00:57:47,569
livelihood reputation careers yeah

1161
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:49,579
that's really the the most important I

1162
00:57:56,019 --> 00:57:52,400
think message that I get from from

1163
00:57:58,359 --> 00:57:56,029
you're outspoken opinions and and that's

1164
00:58:00,029 --> 00:57:58,369
the mantra that you've been repeating

1165
00:58:02,289 --> 00:58:00,039
for years and it's it's absolutely

1166
00:58:05,710 --> 00:58:02,299
absolutely the foremost thing that

1167
00:58:09,130 --> 00:58:05,720
really we need to address culturally to

1168
00:58:11,319 --> 00:58:09,140
make these subjects acceptable for

1169
00:58:13,150 --> 00:58:11,329
mainstream individuals that talent the

1170
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:13,160
talent that we have to be able to

1171
00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:16,130
exercise their creative abilities and in

1172
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:18,950
curiosity without being ostracized and

1173
00:58:23,500 --> 00:58:22,130
without being you know have to cower

1174
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:23,510
because they're worried about tenure

1175
00:58:28,930 --> 00:58:26,569
their their retirement or any sort of

1176
00:58:30,609 --> 00:58:28,940
you know problems currently in their job

1177
00:58:32,380 --> 00:58:30,619
you know you meet people online and

1178
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:32,390
we're so into the subject and they're so

1179
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:34,970
paranoid when you ask well what's your

1180
00:58:39,309 --> 00:58:36,770
real name and they they freak out

1181
00:58:40,809 --> 00:58:39,319
because you know God forbid words should

1182
00:58:42,730 --> 00:58:40,819
get out that they are interested in

1183
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:42,740
these subjects this guy calls himself

1184
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:45,170
Isaac coy online he's a barrister in

1185
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:47,839
England he has done more single-handedly

1186
00:58:53,019 --> 00:58:50,930
to digitize old analog magazines and

1187
00:58:55,150 --> 00:58:53,029
reports and and things than anybody I

1188
00:58:57,609 --> 00:58:55,160
know and the guy is in fear of being

1189
00:59:00,370 --> 00:58:57,619
exposed he's still slogging away and

1190
00:59:02,940 --> 00:59:00,380
digitizing all this great historical and

1191
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:02,950
very important I think Case Files and in

1192
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:05,359
publications and other things and he's

1193
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:06,890
an example of someone that's that's

1194
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:10,730
remaining anonymous but still being very

1195
00:59:14,589 --> 00:59:13,130
very public and in doing the work that

1196
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:14,599
needs to be done that nobody else is

1197
00:59:19,150 --> 00:59:17,210
bothering there to pick up the you know

1198
00:59:21,220 --> 00:59:19,160
the workload and and deal with it you

1199
00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:21,230
know John I commend you on that and and

1200
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,190
I have been echoing that same that same

1201
00:59:29,650 --> 00:59:26,960
observation now for years you inspire me

1202
00:59:32,289 --> 00:59:29,660
to really make that a major issue in any

1203
00:59:34,359 --> 00:59:32,299
any talks that I give on on the radio or

1204
00:59:36,819 --> 00:59:34,369
any talks like I do out there that's

1205
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,829
something I always say that if this

1206
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:39,440
wasn't so taboo in the culture we would

1207
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:41,599
be possibly lightyears ahead in our

1208
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,000
understanding well it's gonna take that

1209
00:59:50,049 --> 00:59:46,640
because again he gets back the

1210
00:59:53,019 --> 00:59:50,059
complexity of the phenomena is just

1211
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:53,029
mind-boggling as you know I've used a

1212
01:00:00,339 --> 00:59:56,089
term called the precognitives sentient

1213
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:00,349
phenomena and that came out of things we

1214
01:00:08,740 --> 01:00:05,570
observed at skinwalker ranch but

1215
01:00:12,910 --> 01:00:08,750
that I guess a there's something that's

1216
01:00:16,270 --> 01:00:12,920
in charge and it ain't about terribly

1217
01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:16,280
complex and we need the best and

1218
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:18,470
brightest minds involved in trying to

1219
01:00:25,930 --> 01:00:21,110
you know advance some of these topics

1220
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:25,940
yeah yeah amen hear hear I absolutely

1221
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:30,470
agree 100% 110% and like you said

1222
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:32,510
anything short of that is really gonna

1223
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:34,610
be a problem we're not gonna be able to

1224
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:36,290
do the cuz of the you know the the

1225
01:00:41,710 --> 01:00:39,650
quality of work and and be able to you

1226
01:00:43,870 --> 01:00:41,720
know put our intellectual resources that

1227
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:43,880
we have to bear on on the situation and

1228
01:00:51,330 --> 01:00:46,670
the questions we need the best and the

1229
01:00:54,670 --> 01:00:51,340
brightest absolutely we have access to

1230
01:00:56,740 --> 01:00:54,680
the best sensors available the wings of

1231
01:01:00,160 --> 01:00:56,750
that nature and you're only going to get

1232
01:01:04,450 --> 01:01:00,170
that just expense alone drives you into

1233
01:01:06,370 --> 01:01:04,460
an institutional response to try and do

1234
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:06,380
those sorts I'm dealing with that right

1235
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,000
now with the San Luis Valley monitoring

1236
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:10,880
project you know we we designed our own

1237
01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:13,730
little sort of record on motion detect

1238
01:01:18,550 --> 01:01:15,950
motion record on motion software you

1239
01:01:20,380 --> 01:01:18,560
know it's good for 5,000 dollars or

1240
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:20,390
whatever we put into it but compared to

1241
01:01:26,290 --> 01:01:22,970
the big boys I mean I just lust after

1242
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:26,300
some of the targeting software that the

1243
01:01:30,010 --> 01:01:27,890
government has to be able to put that up

1244
01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:30,020
on a three cell towers and coordinate

1245
01:01:35,850 --> 01:01:33,470
their their their data gathering that

1246
01:01:40,690 --> 01:01:35,860
would really be something but you know

1247
01:01:44,020 --> 01:01:40,700
unfortunately you know it's you got to

1248
01:01:47,590 --> 01:01:44,030
kind of do a DIY yeah it's a

1249
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:47,600
do-it-yourself kind of kind of situation

1250
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:49,010
well 20 years ago when I first thought

1251
01:01:53,260 --> 01:01:50,090
of it it would have been over two

1252
01:01:55,690 --> 01:01:53,270
million dollars to do the whole thing a

1253
01:02:00,700 --> 01:01:55,700
million for it for gear another million

1254
01:02:03,340 --> 01:02:00,710
for you know to go to infrared and other

1255
01:02:07,350 --> 01:02:03,350
more exotic detection equipment that was

1256
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:07,360
available but now I mean we're talking

1257
01:02:12,490 --> 01:02:11,450
60,000 to really get it going and then

1258
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:12,500
double that for forward-looking

1259
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:14,410
infra-red

1260
01:02:21,150 --> 01:02:17,920
you know visual stuff at night or you

1261
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:21,160
know gathering that sort of data on the

1262
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:24,609
infrared level from that spectrum but

1263
01:02:29,490 --> 01:02:26,770
you know again it's it's a lot more

1264
01:02:31,140 --> 01:02:29,500
affordable now but again that's 60 60

1265
01:02:33,809 --> 01:02:31,150
grand that we're gonna have to throw at

1266
01:02:35,940 --> 01:02:33,819
the the thing ultimately so I mean it's

1267
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:35,950
it can be done but it's much more

1268
01:02:42,029 --> 01:02:38,650
difficult when you don't have the deep

1269
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:42,039
pockets of a Bob Bigelow or the clout

1270
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:45,880
within the Congressional Budget Office's

1271
01:02:53,970 --> 01:02:49,119
and the committee's that look at these

1272
01:02:56,970 --> 01:02:53,980
proposals one of the comments that I've

1273
01:03:00,329 --> 01:02:56,980
heard that I think is unfortunate and

1274
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:00,339
this comes out of I guess a subset of

1275
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:03,130
the UFO community and that's shall we

1276
01:03:10,740 --> 01:03:07,410
just say experiencers if you will and

1277
01:03:12,779 --> 01:03:10,750
that you know they go ain't it awful

1278
01:03:16,170 --> 01:03:12,789
that they're talking about on threads

1279
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,180
it's not really a threat and that lets

1280
01:03:22,049 --> 01:03:18,640
go well problem you have to remember is

1281
01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:22,059
that these people had to justify their

1282
01:03:25,289 --> 01:03:22,750
expense

1283
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:25,299
they were working for the Department of

1284
01:03:31,859 --> 01:03:27,609
Defense and so it has to be something

1285
01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:31,869
that relates to defending the nation

1286
01:03:39,980 --> 01:03:35,500
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Jean from what you're saying there in a

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Department has to justify some kind of

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national security angle does this

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whatever it is present a potential

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gets back to people do not understand

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how the government works and you've

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probably seen my slides and say there is

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no Department of good ideas way it works

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is that you have given a lot of money in

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whatever N is and that you run out of

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money long before you run out of good

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ideas of things that you want to do so

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it's a highly competitive environment

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including in the black world and again

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we saw what happens when the visibility

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was raised people came after them and

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said you know what are you doing how you

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justify that I can better use the money

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and the competition in that world is

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just as fierce as it is in the white

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world yeah yeah probably more so even

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when you when you get down to put you

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know specifics and specific areas that

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are highly highly competitive yeah I

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would imagine and you know people have

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to also understand that you know

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governments are like glacial in terms of

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changing the the culture within

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government the military the Department

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of Defense it's very very difficult it's

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like the old proverbial turning a

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battleship with a wooden or it's very

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very difficult to change the the the

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mindset the culture of the thinking it

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01:09:59,540 --> 01:09:56,920
almost has to be changed for it like the

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Second World War

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expedited I think a lot of things within

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government the whole glacial aspect of

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government

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was kind of thrown on actually raising a

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very interesting point here and that is

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we have basically been at war for the

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last 2001 so we're not talking more than

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16 to 17 years my point there is we you

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know we're here about all they're hiding

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all this technology and all of that well

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you you look at the advances that have

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been made because you are correct in

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that during periods of conflict and when

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we were doing is that technologies do

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advance and they do generally spill out

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01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:46,630
into the civilian sector at least

1446
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:49,330
eventually and the point here is you

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01:10:55,290 --> 01:10:53,170
look at what advances have been made and

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you know about the best you can point to

1449
01:11:00,930 --> 01:10:58,570
is the f-35 you know one of the pluses

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is there have been advances in

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prosthetics because people on the

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battlefield

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fortunately live longer but then require

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additional resources for support yeah

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what you don't see at least I don't see

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01:11:22,020 --> 01:11:17,770
anywhere is any big leaps in propulsion

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01:11:25,950 --> 01:11:22,030
technology or stealth or anything like

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that that argue we support the argument

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that we really haven't made the real

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exotic breakthroughs that some

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conspiracy buffs without this to believe

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01:11:37,980 --> 01:11:34,960
well how about any grab technology I

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01:11:40,620 --> 01:11:37,990
mean there's been rumors so for years at

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the bb2 has some sort of antigrav

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takeoff capability or lift lift help the

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imagination okay well you know some

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people maybe get their terms mixed up

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01:12:03,000 --> 01:11:56,470
don't trust what you read on the

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01:12:06,150 --> 01:12:03,010
internet any anti-gravity capability and

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remember if you did this was where I on

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the community I guess run into

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difficulty if you had this capability it

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also improves that you have a

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fundamental different source of energy

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and so that you

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use that just to make a little widget

1477
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:27,880
that flies around belies logic because

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if you have this external energy system

1479
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that's fund again fundamentally

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different from anything that we've got

1481
01:12:39,810 --> 01:12:37,540
now it changes the geopolitical

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situation in the world

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you would then ya know no longer have to

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worry about the Middle East or placating

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people that we don't like very much and

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01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:50,440
don't get along with it changes

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01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:51,010
everything

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and little widgets that fly or

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01:12:57,899 --> 01:12:56,590
interesting but not terribly important

1490
01:13:00,270 --> 01:12:57,909
yeah

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01:13:01,950 --> 01:13:00,280
well that's always been my argument

1492
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:01,960
against you know the secret space

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01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:04,480
program and you know in terms of a

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robust you know gallivanting around the

1495
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,710
solar system sized program obviously we

1496
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have some military projects that are I'm

1497
01:13:17,550 --> 01:13:14,460
sure

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fairly operational if not more than that

1499
01:13:24,090 --> 01:13:20,489
but when you're talking about fleets of

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starships and and bases on Mars bases on

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the moon that's the one thing and again

1502
01:13:32,250 --> 01:13:29,830
I'll echo your observation that that

1503
01:13:34,380 --> 01:13:32,260
sort of technology at this would have at

1504
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:34,390
some point filtered out into the

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mainstream and you know stories of

1506
01:13:41,790 --> 01:13:39,460
philip corso and you know other

1507
01:13:43,290 --> 01:13:41,800
whistleblower types that the claim that

1508
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:43,300
certain technologies that we have now

1509
01:13:49,010 --> 01:13:45,850
currently that are publicly known have

1510
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:49,020
been assaulted into the public sector

1511
01:13:56,370 --> 01:13:52,530
you know fiber-optic cables

1512
01:13:59,760 --> 01:13:56,380
velcro I've heard you know certain laser

1513
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:59,770
technology transistors you know you all

1514
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:01,120
you do is a little bit of research and

1515
01:14:04,350 --> 01:14:02,650
you find out exactly where all that

1516
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:04,360
technology came from and who developed

1517
01:14:08,700 --> 01:14:06,159
it and what the development curve was

1518
01:14:10,500 --> 01:14:08,710
it's all public knowledge so I totally

1519
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:10,510
agree with you that if we had that sort

1520
01:14:16,850 --> 01:14:13,690
of exotic technology already you know we

1521
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:16,860
wouldn't be building depth 35s and and

1522
01:14:20,220 --> 01:14:19,330
crafted or you know questionable in

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01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:20,230
there

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01:14:29,490 --> 01:14:26,050
bang for the buck their value yes

1525
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:29,500
okay well Burt was by a couple of months

1526
01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:32,290
ago an opportunity to spend the day and

1527
01:14:37,740 --> 01:14:34,150
we talked specifically about

1528
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:37,750
the advances in the f-35 how good it was

1529
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:40,510
and he points out that the fundamentals

1530
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:43,330
of that technology are about twenty

1531
01:14:50,820 --> 01:14:46,690
years old and so far we're seeing it

1532
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:50,830
advanced now that it is you know far

1533
01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:53,770
from you know the I can't say the

1534
01:14:58,560 --> 01:14:55,780
cutting edge but it's about as good as

1535
01:15:01,020 --> 01:14:58,570
we can get for being implemented yeah

1536
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:01,030
one of the things we point out is that

1537
01:15:08,940 --> 01:15:04,570
well in this an area I work generous

1538
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:08,950
taking well my last job specifically was

1539
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:11,440
director of advanced system concepts for

1540
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:14,050
the our main laboratory command I had a

1541
01:15:19,470 --> 01:15:17,410
lot of very very high tech stuff some of

1542
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:19,480
which were seeing some of its not and

1543
01:15:25,620 --> 01:15:22,810
the point is it just takes that long for

1544
01:15:29,340 --> 01:15:25,630
this to move from what we discussed

1545
01:15:34,410 --> 01:15:29,350
earlier the basic science technique you

1546
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:34,420
know to fielding minimum 15 years if we

1547
01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:36,510
had secret alien technology sir

1548
01:15:42,830 --> 01:15:39,880
recovered from somewhere why aren't we

1549
01:15:46,110 --> 01:15:42,840
seeing the fruits of that information I

1550
01:15:48,780 --> 01:15:46,120
mean after all we should be flying all

1551
01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:48,790
around the galaxy by now no no wait a

1552
01:15:53,070 --> 01:15:51,070
minute that's in a science fiction TV

1553
01:15:57,900 --> 01:15:53,080
show oh well there you go

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01:16:00,000 --> 01:15:57,910
I came to a dead stop I thought you're

1555
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:00,010
asking Chris specifically the answer is

1556
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because we don't obviously I mean it

1557
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:06,510
changes everything

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[Music]

1559
01:16:15,060 --> 01:16:12,610
as I've said we talk consistently about

1560
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disclosure and of course my question is

1561
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disclosure of what let me break and

1562
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:19,720
let's talk about that further because

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that stuff has risen again in light of

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all this with Colonel John B Alexander

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or this is Jacques Vallee

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio so of

1666
01:21:12,150 --> 01:21:10,580
course as Colonel Alexander said where

1667
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:12,160
are the fruits of this

1668
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:14,810
reverse-engineered technology that may

1669
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exist so the disclosure advocates

1670
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:21,980
probably feel they're being vindicated

1671
01:21:28,150 --> 01:21:25,520
by all this news about the pentacon UFO

1672
01:21:30,700 --> 01:21:28,160
study and I asked Chris before well you

1673
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:30,710
know what have we seen we've seen

1674
01:21:34,750 --> 01:21:32,450
anything new it teaches us anything more

1675
01:21:37,900 --> 01:21:34,760
about the UFOs and what they're all

1676
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:37,910
about what's your observation well I've

1677
01:21:42,940 --> 01:21:40,489
seen the reports so one of the things

1678
01:21:46,750 --> 01:21:42,950
together they revert back to the study

1679
01:21:50,440 --> 01:21:46,760
that I did in the 1980s one of our

1680
01:21:54,340 --> 01:21:50,450
hypotheses was that if you just studied

1681
01:21:56,670 --> 01:21:54,350
the technology or the observation the

1682
01:22:00,430 --> 01:21:56,680
characteristics and aerodynamics

1683
01:22:03,820 --> 01:22:00,440
whatever these objects are then it could

1684
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lead you to through inference try to

1685
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figure out what it would take to be able

1686
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to do that and that you could make

1687
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technological advances one of the major

1688
01:22:20,350 --> 01:22:17,660
things is that you've got to believe

1689
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:20,360
that it can't exist and the way you do

1690
01:22:26,740 --> 01:22:23,570
that is observation of what does exist

1691
01:22:29,350 --> 01:22:26,750
out there and how you can apply that

1692
01:22:32,410 --> 01:22:29,360
there's a lot of examples of this by the

1693
01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:32,420
way one that I use that I was cautioning

1694
01:22:40,420 --> 01:22:36,340
folks on you remember struck snap oh

1695
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:40,430
yeah yeah and the Iranian centrifuges I

1696
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:43,280
think didn't they somebody went after

1697
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:48,110
the Iranian my point at the time and I

1698
01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:50,840
think it's proven quite accurately well

1699
01:22:55,930 --> 01:22:53,350
and good glad you could do that but

1700
01:22:58,900 --> 01:22:55,940
you've now told everybody this is

1701
01:23:00,430 --> 01:22:58,910
possible yeah once they see the model

1702
01:23:03,310 --> 01:23:00,440
you don't

1703
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:03,320
understand everything about it it now

1704
01:23:08,650 --> 01:23:06,050
says this is direction to focus your

1705
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:08,660
research yeah yeah all those development

1706
01:23:13,330 --> 01:23:10,880
you know those leaps forward and in

1707
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:13,340
applying technology definitely then

1708
01:23:21,850 --> 01:23:19,000
just it's kind of how it works you know

1709
01:23:23,650 --> 01:23:21,860
its life unfortunately well you know

1710
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:23,660
again I'm still scratching my head

1711
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:26,210
wondering what it took to get help put

1712
01:23:30,820 --> 01:23:28,400
off to get involved in to the Stars

1713
01:23:33,790 --> 01:23:30,830
Academy because you know I've been a big

1714
01:23:35,290 --> 01:23:33,800
fan of how and and you know I'm not that

1715
01:23:36,700 --> 01:23:35,300
familiar with what he's been doing the

1716
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,710
last twenty years but I know it's been

1717
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:38,480
some very very serious work that he's

1718
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:41,410
been doing you know at the behest of the

1719
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:43,250
Department of Defense and probably

1720
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:45,710
others yeah I don't know but I do know

1721
01:23:51,010 --> 01:23:48,410
the man would not get involved in a

1722
01:23:52,959 --> 01:23:51,020
project like this unless a there were

1723
01:23:55,150 --> 01:23:52,969
other individuals involved that he

1724
01:23:57,700 --> 01:23:55,160
respected and and and could work with

1725
01:24:01,180 --> 01:23:57,710
and and and that's the case in this

1726
01:24:03,670 --> 01:24:01,190
particular instance but I mean you've

1727
01:24:06,370 --> 01:24:03,680
talked to him what was dangled in front

1728
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:06,380
of him to get him to publicly you know

1729
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:09,650
get behind something that is being kind

1730
01:24:15,490 --> 01:24:11,840
of the figurehead and it's the spearhead

1731
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:15,500
of the whole thing is a power Punk kind

1732
01:24:19,930 --> 01:24:18,080
of band rock star guitar player there's

1733
01:24:23,790 --> 01:24:19,940
a disconnect here in my mind about this

1734
01:24:31,300 --> 01:24:27,990
everything I see in that regard myself

1735
01:24:34,060 --> 01:24:31,310
except that I do know against several of

1736
01:24:38,860 --> 01:24:34,070
the people and that they hope to be able

1737
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:38,870
to get the information out they do think

1738
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:41,449
that and this is a second hand now with

1739
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:43,730
it they have sufficient information to

1740
01:24:52,180 --> 01:24:46,130
make potentially some of the big leaps

1741
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:52,190
in advancing technology but that this

1742
01:25:00,189 --> 01:24:55,520
was the best thing to come along a most

1743
01:25:02,740 --> 01:25:00,199
a global opportunity so we'll get

1744
01:25:04,959 --> 01:25:02,750
further or not certainly got some good

1745
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:04,969
minds working on it but having said that

1746
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:08,239
like I say if you go to the website look

1747
01:25:12,190 --> 01:25:10,370
at the amount of money you

1748
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:12,200
yeah that's only gonna get you so far

1749
01:25:15,940 --> 01:25:13,910
down the road you know and there's a

1750
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:15,950
couple of other areas that I think we

1751
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:18,170
should address here and one was the very

1752
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:20,080
curious and and I would say very

1753
01:25:26,260 --> 01:25:24,050
surprising admit mittens that the Robert

1754
01:25:35,710 --> 01:25:26,270
Bigelow has a special room that's been

1755
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:35,720
that's been you know hardened or I don't

1756
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:39,650
find that terribly exciting about you

1757
01:25:44,860 --> 01:25:43,040
know the material that can be I'm not

1758
01:25:47,020 --> 01:25:44,870
sure exactly how the wording is but it

1759
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:47,030
sounds like you know alien technology

1760
01:25:53,050 --> 01:25:49,490
some sort of metals or or some sort of

1761
01:25:54,580 --> 01:25:53,060
debris possibly has been sequestered now

1762
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:54,590
what are we talking about here do you

1763
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:57,530
have any knowledge of what those sample

1764
01:26:02,830 --> 01:25:59,840
cards I don't have any direct knowledge

1765
01:26:08,020 --> 01:26:02,840
of it but having said that again if you

1766
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:08,030
go back to you know 1980s project that I

1767
01:26:15,010 --> 01:26:11,120
was involved with we knew that there

1768
01:26:17,980 --> 01:26:15,020
were certain unusual or pieces of

1769
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:17,990
equipment with unusual chemical

1770
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:21,170
properties and the issue was you know

1771
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:23,600
how do you go ahead and do the research

1772
01:26:31,090 --> 01:26:28,370
on it now at Ned's we did get him some

1773
01:26:34,180 --> 01:26:31,100
materials but the point there is that

1774
01:26:37,870 --> 01:26:34,190
the research was done basically

1775
01:26:39,660 --> 01:26:37,880
contracted out it was not done in-house

1776
01:26:43,060 --> 01:26:39,670
I don't know what his current

1777
01:26:44,740 --> 01:26:43,070
capabilities are whether they have but I

1778
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:44,750
think again if you're gonna deal with

1779
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:48,170
best and brightest the kinds of analysis

1780
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,050
I think would have to be done you would

1781
01:26:55,900 --> 01:26:53,600
want the capabilities of a National

1782
01:26:58,720 --> 01:26:55,910
Laboratory absolutely and you'd want a

1783
01:27:01,870 --> 01:26:58,730
duplicate and triplicate your your

1784
01:27:04,780 --> 01:27:01,880
testing as well quick question do you

1785
01:27:08,710 --> 01:27:04,790
know if possibly some of the items that

1786
01:27:10,930 --> 01:27:08,720
may be sequestered away include the the

1787
01:27:12,220 --> 01:27:10,940
metal little metal rods that were found

1788
01:27:15,190 --> 01:27:12,230
at the cattle mutilation site on

1789
01:27:18,340 --> 01:27:15,200
skinwalker ranch I thought those were

1790
01:27:19,900 --> 01:27:18,350
looked at I don't know the fact I know

1791
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:19,910
that was looked at and quite

1792
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:23,209
unremarkable we were able to determine

1793
01:27:28,189 --> 01:27:26,880
some kind of lantern or some kind okay

1794
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:28,199
yeah I heard they were attractive parts

1795
01:27:31,729 --> 01:27:30,449
it's what somebody told me but the very

1796
01:27:34,540 --> 01:27:31,739
fact that they were there and in the

1797
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:34,550
place where they were found was did seem

1798
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:37,110
the point is that the research the

1799
01:27:44,750 --> 01:27:41,489
actual analysis was contracted out that

1800
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:44,760
was not done in-house right right with a

1801
01:27:49,339 --> 01:27:46,249
lab that didn't know what they were

1802
01:27:53,029 --> 01:27:49,349
looking at really and I'm sure but they

1803
01:27:56,989 --> 01:27:53,039
were kept totally in the dark at least

1804
01:27:58,219 --> 01:27:56,999
that's how I do it I mean what are we

1805
01:28:01,489 --> 01:27:58,229
talking about here is this stuff that

1806
01:28:04,339 --> 01:28:01,499
that that mr. Bigelow has obtained on

1807
01:28:07,069 --> 01:28:04,349
his own is this stuff that's been given

1808
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:07,079
to him by the government it's still very

1809
01:28:12,949 --> 01:28:08,880
unclear in my mind maybe it's a

1810
01:28:18,109 --> 01:28:12,959
combination of the two you know I

1811
01:28:19,850 --> 01:28:18,119
why would you even mention that because

1812
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:19,860
the very fact that that was even brought

1813
01:28:28,750 --> 01:28:23,610
up and became and I think it wasn't as

1814
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:28,760
Al's Ando that mention that initially I

1815
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:32,130
think it I think it might have been you

1816
01:28:41,989 --> 01:28:35,489
know somebody check you know check that

1817
01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:41,999
for me well I you know again I mean why

1818
01:28:46,209 --> 01:28:43,110
would why would you even mention

1819
01:28:49,879 --> 01:28:46,219
something like that I mean that is so

1820
01:28:52,339 --> 01:28:49,889
controversial just in nature number one

1821
01:28:53,899 --> 01:28:52,349
and number two would be something that

1822
01:28:56,929 --> 01:28:53,909
could really become highly

1823
01:29:00,949 --> 01:28:56,939
sensationalized and could create a lot

1824
01:29:02,209 --> 01:29:00,959
of problems in a PR sort of sense I just

1825
01:29:09,310 --> 01:29:02,219
don't I don't understand the thinking

1826
01:29:16,879 --> 01:29:14,049
speak responsibly on that issue at all

1827
01:29:28,119 --> 01:29:16,889
well if you had to guess what would you

1828
01:29:33,580 --> 01:29:31,089
well I could guess not having you know

1829
01:29:36,129 --> 01:29:33,590
the relationships and in the background

1830
01:29:37,779 --> 01:29:36,139
that you have of course you know I'm I'm

1831
01:29:39,939 --> 01:29:37,789
already probably considered a loose

1832
01:29:41,259 --> 01:29:39,949
cannon by by many people already so it

1833
01:29:46,029 --> 01:29:41,269
would be no problem for me to venture

1834
01:29:49,029 --> 01:29:46,039
some guesses guests guesses so I don't

1835
01:29:50,500 --> 01:29:49,039
know I will just drop that the very fact

1836
01:29:54,279 --> 01:29:50,510
that they claim that they have material

1837
01:29:58,750 --> 01:29:54,289
gathered from these anomalous objects is

1838
01:30:02,669 --> 01:29:58,760
very tantalizing and sensational in my

1839
01:30:05,979 --> 01:30:02,679
briefings that took place decades ago

1840
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:05,989
that was a piece of it is that we knew

1841
01:30:15,009 --> 01:30:11,449
that certain material existed to exist

1842
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:15,019
and we thought that having access to it

1843
01:30:23,049 --> 01:30:20,570
would be you know beneficial and but get

1844
01:30:25,419 --> 01:30:23,059
back to the bottom line is nobody was

1845
01:30:27,879 --> 01:30:25,429
willing to fund it we got to a break

1846
01:30:30,099 --> 01:30:27,889
here we'll continue with John D

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01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:30,109
Alexander Jean and Chris you're in the

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1863
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1864
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protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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our distant planet are planning to

1869
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:33,679
conquer the earth

1870
01:31:38,470 --> 01:31:36,050
this is gripping science fiction of the

1871
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classic kind attack of the rock codes

1872
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and the coming of the protectors find

1873
01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:42,500
out more and rocco is calm

1874
01:31:48,879 --> 01:31:47,360
that's rocco is our Ock oids calm this

1875
01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:48,889
is Dan Pihl do you have the IRS money

1876
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you can't pay our tax debts crippling

1877
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you I've defended people from the IRS

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for over 30 years I've helped thousands

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1880
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call 834 no tax to finally get free of

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1952
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the podcast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio a little bit later

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right those there's one or two questions

1957
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from our audience in the question Bank

1958
01:35:23,870 --> 01:35:21,390
we only announced this episode a couple

1959
01:35:27,050 --> 01:35:23,880
of hours before it was due to take place

1960
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:27,060
so Chris you wanna continue I don't know

1961
01:35:31,850 --> 01:35:29,010
this whole thing is just downwind of the

1962
01:35:34,850 --> 01:35:31,860
fish market to me it's like the whole

1963
01:35:38,470 --> 01:35:34,860
we're in a whole new reality here it's

1964
01:35:40,850 --> 01:35:38,480
like you know when some other alternate

1965
01:35:44,570 --> 01:35:40,860
universe or something all of a sudden

1966
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:44,580
UFOs have become acceptable to you know

1967
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:46,320
some of the most state and respected

1968
01:35:53,390 --> 01:35:49,650
media outlets on the planet and this

1969
01:35:57,620 --> 01:35:53,400
doesn't happen in a vacuum you know this

1970
01:36:00,230 --> 01:35:57,630
very simple logical process and I'm

1971
01:36:06,140 --> 01:36:00,240
trying to dig up conspiracy theories or

1972
01:36:07,820 --> 01:36:06,150
convoluted you know who said anything

1973
01:36:10,970 --> 01:36:07,830
about conspiracy theories I'm just

1974
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:10,980
wondering how the timing could be so

1975
01:36:18,020 --> 01:36:13,770
perfect and then we had the x-files you

1976
01:36:21,650 --> 01:36:18,030
know reboot reboot well the timing was

1977
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:21,660
was is such that the times were in a

1978
01:36:25,790 --> 01:36:23,760
position to go ahead and run with a

1979
01:36:28,700 --> 01:36:25,800
story after they obviously vetted it and

1980
01:36:30,650 --> 01:36:28,710
and once that Domino went down then you

1981
01:36:35,620 --> 01:36:30,660
have all these other damn dominoes that

1982
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:35,630
that flop over it just it just seems so

1983
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:39,690
amazingly well thought out know if you

1984
01:36:45,950 --> 01:36:42,090
could look at it from probably was but I

1985
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:45,960
think you're forgetting that the I UFO

1986
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:47,810
see last year was

1987
01:36:54,670 --> 01:36:50,810
February you had an announcement from

1988
01:36:56,700 --> 01:36:54,680
the long that they expected within a few

1989
01:36:59,980 --> 01:36:56,710
weeks to be making the announcement

1990
01:37:06,480 --> 01:36:59,990
which did not come for many many many

1991
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:06,490
months later yeah ii was working it was

1992
01:37:13,930 --> 01:37:10,610
tremendously difficult to get the

1993
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:13,940
rollout that eventually took place well

1994
01:37:19,180 --> 01:37:16,970
things did not fall into place easily or

1995
01:37:22,270 --> 01:37:19,190
well they sure made it seem like it and

1996
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:22,280
hats off to him because this is the most

1997
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:26,480
you know positive news that at least the

1998
01:37:31,810 --> 01:37:29,170
UFO field has had and again i echo your

1999
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:31,820
caution to not stovepipe this whole

2000
01:37:36,820 --> 01:37:33,290
thing that we are dealing with something

2001
01:37:39,460 --> 01:37:36,830
that is is interconnected not only with

2002
01:37:41,490 --> 01:37:39,470
human consciousness and in in you know

2003
01:37:45,340 --> 01:37:41,500
some sort of time-based element but also

2004
01:37:46,750 --> 01:37:45,350
across the paranormal phenomena i you

2005
01:37:49,390 --> 01:37:46,760
know there's connected connecting points

2006
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:49,400
all over the average person is totally

2007
01:37:55,780 --> 01:37:52,130
oblivious to and so it is a highly

2008
01:37:58,480 --> 01:37:55,790
highly complex and way more complex than

2009
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:58,490
the public thinks right now no question

2010
01:38:02,620 --> 01:38:01,040
in my mind and that be maybe one of the

2011
01:38:05,130 --> 01:38:02,630
main reasons why this subject has not

2012
01:38:08,590 --> 01:38:05,140
been taken publicly seriously by

2013
01:38:14,530 --> 01:38:08,600
possibly the government and and industry

2014
01:38:17,290 --> 01:38:14,540
academia because it is so complex when i

2015
01:38:19,540 --> 01:38:17,300
worked in what we called the building i

2016
01:38:22,060 --> 01:38:19,550
used to run around looking for this guy

2017
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:22,070
pentagon because I always heard on the

2018
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:24,050
news the Pentagon says this and the

2019
01:38:29,620 --> 01:38:27,110
Pentagon says that the reality is the

2020
01:38:36,030 --> 01:38:29,630
Pentagon doesn't say anything it's a big

2021
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:36,040
stone building thirty thousand roughly

2022
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:39,770
people who come with a wide variety of

2023
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:43,330
beliefs and the inference what not so

2024
01:38:49,090 --> 01:38:46,370
you're lucky you know with the current

2025
01:38:52,270 --> 01:38:49,100
administration who knows what policy yes

2026
01:38:54,780 --> 01:38:52,280
you know this is just you know belief

2027
01:38:58,150 --> 01:38:54,790
the kinds of things we see happening but

2028
01:39:00,880 --> 01:38:58,160
again I think it's just advantageous to

2029
01:39:05,140 --> 01:39:00,890
look and say what does a

2030
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:05,150
no and it was a popular statement but

2031
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:08,330
the government made up many many people

2032
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:11,600
with wide variety of beliefs and I think

2033
01:39:17,470 --> 01:39:14,330
that's a critical aspect I do know that

2034
01:39:20,530 --> 01:39:17,480
one of the things that happened when the

2035
01:39:22,660 --> 01:39:20,540
program got increased visibility and

2036
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:22,670
people were coming out and saying you

2037
01:39:28,210 --> 01:39:25,090
know I want a piece of the action

2038
01:39:30,850 --> 01:39:28,220
why are you doing that I'd rather have

2039
01:39:33,610 --> 01:39:30,860
the money for my project one of the

2040
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:33,620
things that I used to find amusing when

2041
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:36,080
I did work in the Pentagon was people

2042
01:39:41,170 --> 01:39:37,970
running around saying I'm gonna find

2043
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:41,180
money like money grew on trees or in

2044
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:43,250
pots or something that you could then

2045
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:47,090
find and put it out and the issue was

2046
01:39:52,230 --> 01:39:50,210
that your if you were finding money when

2047
01:39:55,540 --> 01:39:52,240
you were stealing it from some other

2048
01:40:00,280 --> 01:39:55,550
already authorized program right and

2049
01:40:02,830 --> 01:40:00,290
transferring the funds battle for those

2050
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:02,840
sorts of things as I said before it just

2051
01:40:09,910 --> 01:40:08,090
internally extremely vicious people on

2052
01:40:16,150 --> 01:40:09,920
the outside and it's the same in

2053
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:16,160
academia in many ways to a degree but it

2054
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:19,280
there is not someplace where there is an

2055
01:40:25,540 --> 01:40:23,090
endless pot of money that can be you

2056
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:25,550
know accessed and delivered to you know

2057
01:40:29,610 --> 01:40:28,490
whomever you know the great fairy

2058
01:40:32,140 --> 01:40:29,620
[Music]

2059
01:40:35,020 --> 01:40:32,150
godfather is just not there

2060
01:40:46,420 --> 01:40:35,030
yes the Federal Reserve's printing

2061
01:40:50,830 --> 01:40:46,430
printing operation these agencies do not

2062
01:40:52,810 --> 01:40:50,840
print money you know you have again this

2063
01:40:55,450 --> 01:40:52,820
gets back to understanding how the

2064
01:40:58,210 --> 01:40:55,460
system works the allocation yeah I know

2065
01:41:02,140 --> 01:40:58,220
that the you know certainly slop in some

2066
01:41:05,950 --> 01:41:02,150
area misappropriation and others but

2067
01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:05,960
internally it is watched very closely

2068
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:07,360
and

2069
01:41:14,700 --> 01:41:12,460
dogs yep

2070
01:41:17,730 --> 01:41:14,710
well you know I've got a the interesting

2071
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:17,740
question here and this I think has been

2072
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:20,410
brought up I think just peripherally in

2073
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:23,770
a couple of articles and internet posts

2074
01:41:28,410 --> 01:41:26,560
that I've seen and that is you know this

2075
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:28,420
comes from Ezekiel who's been a longtime

2076
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:31,330
member of the pair cast forms at forum

2077
01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:33,610
doctor para cast dot-com well you can

2078
01:41:38,490 --> 01:41:36,490
ask our guests questions and he's

2079
01:41:41,070 --> 01:41:38,500
wondering if religious belief especially

2080
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:41,080
in this case Christian belief plays an

2081
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:43,330
important role in non investigation and

2082
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:45,610
non disclosure in other words I think

2083
01:41:54,420 --> 01:41:47,890
what he's wondering here is is there I

2084
01:41:58,250 --> 01:41:54,430
got the question the answer doesn't play

2085
01:42:01,890 --> 01:41:58,260
a role yes but is it a nom answer

2086
01:42:05,460 --> 01:42:01,900
generally no I do know that there were

2087
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:05,470
people involved that once this program

2088
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:10,090
again became visible internally who took

2089
01:42:17,550 --> 01:42:14,110
the position that these must be related

2090
01:42:20,370 --> 01:42:17,560
to angels or demons or something like

2091
01:42:24,750 --> 01:42:20,380
that so therefore you know Earthlings

2092
01:42:26,820 --> 01:42:24,760
should not be involved when we had the

2093
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:26,830
remember the remote viewing program

2094
01:42:33,180 --> 01:42:30,490
right and just parallels there where we

2095
01:42:46,110 --> 01:42:33,190
had folks that said and this went all

2096
01:42:49,050 --> 01:42:46,120
the way to achieve the sample so you got

2097
01:42:53,420 --> 01:42:49,060
in the building alone alone all the

2098
01:42:57,690 --> 01:42:53,430
peripheral organizations 30,000 people

2099
01:43:00,960 --> 01:42:57,700
30,000 opinions yeah that makes sense so

2100
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:00,970
he wants to have he's saying if that's

2101
01:43:05,700 --> 01:43:03,600
the case if there is an element of

2102
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:05,710
Christian fundamentalism that maybe

2103
01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:09,610
somehow driving response to the

2104
01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:12,760
phenomenon and and actual impeding of

2105
01:43:24,010 --> 01:43:20,510
specifically with the term driving

2106
01:43:26,300 --> 01:43:24,020
these things are in my experience all

2107
01:43:30,500 --> 01:43:26,310
individuals and they control certain

2108
01:43:34,940 --> 01:43:30,510
domains you get to POTUS you know

2109
01:43:37,340 --> 01:43:34,950
driving the Chinese hoax of climate

2110
01:43:40,100 --> 01:43:37,350
change and things like that but my life

2111
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:40,110
you know but but that's a good example

2112
01:43:46,100 --> 01:43:42,090
because you look down below and you know

2113
01:43:50,590 --> 01:43:46,110
the institution was going like no it's

2114
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:50,600
real yeah well well if that if there is

2115
01:43:55,900 --> 01:43:54,000
if there is a role that's that's being

2116
01:44:00,920 --> 01:43:55,910
played by individuals

2117
01:44:04,700 --> 01:44:00,930
that's that somehow is influential and

2118
01:44:07,780 --> 01:44:04,710
does have some weight behind it and you

2119
01:44:10,580 --> 01:44:07,790
know if religion is even a factor at all

2120
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:10,590
his ezekiel's are wondering well other

2121
01:44:16,750 --> 01:44:13,050
non-religious countries take the lead in

2122
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:16,760
this area he says as per harry reno and

2123
01:44:24,980 --> 01:44:20,880
gain a strategic advantage back into the

2124
01:44:26,030 --> 01:44:24,990
belief system of key individuals and one

2125
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:26,040
of the things i've talked about

2126
01:44:31,780 --> 01:44:28,730
repeatedly is the difference between

2127
01:44:35,450 --> 01:44:31,790
individual interest and institutional

2128
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:35,460
responsibility because in our case we're

2129
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:37,410
supposed to have separation of church

2130
01:44:45,310 --> 01:44:40,560
and state but having said that we do

2131
01:44:50,270 --> 01:44:45,320
know that certain religious influences

2132
01:44:57,700 --> 01:44:50,280
are involved in you know many decisions

2133
01:45:01,400 --> 01:44:57,710
that that are out there the idea that

2134
01:45:03,950 --> 01:45:01,410
you know logic wins and that you know

2135
01:45:07,100 --> 01:45:03,960
you can make these logical arguments

2136
01:45:11,380 --> 01:45:07,110
just does not you know take the day then

2137
01:45:14,210 --> 01:45:11,390
point is that emotion Trump's logic

2138
01:45:16,220 --> 01:45:14,220
almost every count hey we got you a

2139
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:16,230
break here and we'll have more to come

2140
01:45:27,540 --> 01:45:18,930
with John B Alexander and Jean and

2141
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2161
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

2190
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2191
01:48:06,180 --> 01:48:02,900
here's Jane Steinberg as we focused

2192
01:48:12,130 --> 01:48:06,190
earlier because so many people have been

2193
01:48:14,260 --> 01:48:12,140
salivating over this UFO study and the

2194
01:48:16,270 --> 01:48:14,270
dreams and hopes of disclosure and

2195
01:48:18,970 --> 01:48:16,280
repeating every year what's gonna happen

2196
01:48:22,570 --> 01:48:18,980
now or it's gonna happen then and all

2197
01:48:25,870 --> 01:48:22,580
that what can we do really to move

2198
01:48:30,459 --> 01:48:25,880
research forward you got any simple

2199
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:30,469
questions well that can be subdivided

2200
01:48:35,979 --> 01:48:32,560
into thousand different questions but

2201
01:48:39,580 --> 01:48:35,989
really it seems as if it just just goes

2202
01:48:41,979 --> 01:48:39,590
on and on without change well one of the

2203
01:48:44,979 --> 01:48:41,989
issues that I have brought up repeatedly

2204
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:44,989
and it's a probably a good segue from

2205
01:48:50,890 --> 01:48:47,690
a religious issue sir because we are

2206
01:48:53,050 --> 01:48:50,900
talking fundamental belief systems from

2207
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:53,060
a government perspective you do not

2208
01:48:59,050 --> 01:48:55,610
expect the government to do research

2209
01:49:01,780 --> 01:48:59,060
into areas that support your belief

2210
01:49:04,660 --> 01:49:01,790
system for instance don't know of any

2211
01:49:08,020 --> 01:49:04,670
studies in you know near-death or

2212
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:08,030
postmortem communication or a host of

2213
01:49:14,530 --> 01:49:11,810
other issues a little bit in healing

2214
01:49:17,979 --> 01:49:14,540
unless you call it spiritual healing and

2215
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:17,989
then it belongs outside so these areas

2216
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:20,810
and out there says you really need to go

2217
01:49:26,950 --> 01:49:23,690
to independent agencies things that are

2218
01:49:29,860 --> 01:49:26,960
not part of the government one of my

2219
01:49:33,580 --> 01:49:29,870
issues has been if you look at how money

2220
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:33,590
is spent look at the Large Hadron

2221
01:49:40,330 --> 01:49:37,520
Collider as an example I think we have

2222
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:40,340
spent about 17 billion on that already

2223
01:49:46,360 --> 01:49:43,370
looking for the god particle and that's

2224
01:49:50,020 --> 01:49:46,370
based on a model of the universe is

2225
01:49:52,899 --> 01:49:50,030
purely materialistic and a very interest

2226
01:49:56,970 --> 01:49:52,909
to a very very small subset of people

2227
01:50:00,479 --> 01:49:56,980
and yet if I take again the studies

2228
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:00,489
I wrote to this in reality tonight I'm

2229
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:03,360
old section mom being dead literally and

2230
01:50:08,460 --> 01:50:06,610
near-death experiences that ought to be

2231
01:50:11,340 --> 01:50:08,470
of interest to a hundred percent of the

2232
01:50:14,750 --> 01:50:11,350
population and yet since everybody is

2233
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:14,760
going to have a chance to encounter a

2234
01:50:21,650 --> 01:50:18,489
transition at least once the point is

2235
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:21,660
that we spend almost nothing and can't

2236
01:50:28,260 --> 01:50:23,890
convince very few people you get

2237
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:28,270
individual donors who fund minor studies

2238
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:31,090
but that ought to be you know a front

2239
01:50:37,950 --> 01:50:34,690
burner item and yet it is hmm after all

2240
01:50:41,490 --> 01:50:37,960
this time do you think that the major

2241
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:41,500
publicity this episode has received in

2242
01:50:45,630 --> 01:50:43,090
the New York Times and other

2243
01:50:48,090 --> 01:50:45,640
publications is that going to cause

2244
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,100
ongoing interest or is this something

2245
01:50:53,220 --> 01:50:51,280
that after the human interest stories

2246
01:50:57,060 --> 01:50:53,230
it's going to fade out in a few months

2247
01:51:01,200 --> 01:50:57,070
and that's going to be it for now it's a

2248
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:01,210
blip the problems that are facing the

2249
01:51:07,110 --> 01:51:03,690
country of the world today are

2250
01:51:09,870 --> 01:51:07,120
absolutely massive now the problem here

2251
01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:09,880
is that you have a small group of people

2252
01:51:16,770 --> 01:51:13,450
a beautiful community whatever that is

2253
01:51:18,180 --> 01:51:16,780
or maybe we say communities because they

2254
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:18,190
are split

2255
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:21,850
you know cannibalistic but you know it's

2256
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:24,730
really very very small the general

2257
01:51:29,970 --> 01:51:27,130
population has you know sort of a

2258
01:51:34,260 --> 01:51:29,980
generic interest in the topic but it's

2259
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:34,270
not a burning issue for them so unless

2260
01:51:39,900 --> 01:51:36,250
something is done or some major

2261
01:51:43,650 --> 01:51:39,910
breakthrough occurs I think from a news

2262
01:51:46,110 --> 01:51:43,660
perspective it'll be yeah a few stories

2263
01:51:48,660 --> 01:51:46,120
on that but this has always been the

2264
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:48,670
status quo this really hasn't changed

2265
01:51:54,990 --> 01:51:52,480
him at least half a century it is if you

2266
01:51:57,810 --> 01:51:55,000
get this flurry of interest a new

2267
01:51:59,580 --> 01:51:57,820
sighting and then everybody's talking

2268
01:52:02,970 --> 01:51:59,590
about us I was going to be focused on

2269
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:02,980
spaceships nothing else and then it just

2270
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:06,810
fades away supplanted obviously by the

2271
01:52:09,879 --> 01:52:08,890
ongoing things that are happening right

2272
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:09,889
now in addition

2273
01:52:18,189 --> 01:52:14,570
record colds back east storms crisis

2274
01:52:22,179 --> 01:52:18,199
overseas with North Korea the political

2275
01:52:24,609 --> 01:52:22,189
machinations in Washington it's hard to

2276
01:52:26,919 --> 01:52:24,619
think is anything else going on well

2277
01:52:29,739 --> 01:52:26,929
this gets to you know the issues some

2278
01:52:33,580 --> 01:52:29,749
folks that we know or come up with the

2279
01:52:36,580 --> 01:52:33,590
notion that ichi is here walking among

2280
01:52:38,649 --> 01:52:36,590
us and my point there is if that is true

2281
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:38,659
and a significant percentage of the

2282
01:52:43,449 --> 01:52:42,320
population actually believes that not

2283
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:43,459
for our benefit

2284
01:52:49,139 --> 01:52:45,679
and they're certainly not helping with

2285
01:52:52,290 --> 01:52:49,149
the issues that you just described I

2286
01:52:59,169 --> 01:52:52,300
haven't seen a lessening of wars or

2287
01:53:02,439 --> 01:52:59,179
complex issues disease problems you know

2288
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:02,449
climate change you know pick your macro

2289
01:53:09,060 --> 01:53:05,570
issues if anything they seem to be

2290
01:53:13,330 --> 01:53:09,070
exacerbated so well ET didn't bring any

2291
01:53:15,279 --> 01:53:13,340
great benevolent answers to us i mean

2292
01:53:17,290 --> 01:53:15,289
having said that you should throw out

2293
01:53:19,719 --> 01:53:17,300
and you know that i've talked about the

2294
01:53:22,569 --> 01:53:19,729
cases like chris blood so we're

2295
01:53:24,659 --> 01:53:22,579
interactions have occurred and you have

2296
01:53:28,449 --> 01:53:24,669
things like spontaneous healing

2297
01:53:31,799 --> 01:53:28,459
obviously has advantages for certain

2298
01:53:35,049 --> 01:53:31,809
individuals this of course is the

2299
01:53:36,699 --> 01:53:35,059
biggest issue here you have all these

2300
01:53:40,989 --> 01:53:36,709
people who are running around claiming

2301
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:40,999
to have been contacted somehow by space

2302
01:53:45,339 --> 01:53:43,610
brothers or they're channeling or

2303
01:53:47,679 --> 01:53:45,349
something like that we get letters all

2304
01:53:49,839 --> 01:53:47,689
the time from people like that offering

2305
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:49,849
to be on the show and they claim to have

2306
01:53:54,429 --> 01:53:52,729
all these insights and then I ask them

2307
01:53:57,759 --> 01:53:54,439
well what have they done what is et done

2308
01:54:00,609 --> 01:53:57,769
for us lately how many people right how

2309
01:54:03,339 --> 01:54:00,619
many people died yesterday of opioid

2310
01:54:06,279 --> 01:54:03,349
addiction but what has et done about

2311
01:54:09,699 --> 01:54:06,289
that how many people died in the Middle

2312
01:54:12,779 --> 01:54:09,709
East for one crisis or another what

2313
01:54:15,489 --> 01:54:12,789
about car crashes what about shootings

2314
01:54:17,889 --> 01:54:15,499
you know when's it going to happen

2315
01:54:19,779 --> 01:54:17,899
when's he gonna land and get things

2316
01:54:22,029 --> 01:54:19,789
together on the other hand what's your

2317
01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:22,039
perception of experiencers such as

2318
01:54:27,370 --> 01:54:23,090
people who claim to be

2319
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:27,380
ducted by UFOs well my position this has

2320
01:54:34,090 --> 01:54:30,050
been pretty clear and that is that there

2321
01:54:36,910 --> 01:54:34,100
are reports of contact between humans

2322
01:54:39,540 --> 01:54:36,920
and sentient lung through humans

2323
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:39,550
throughout the entirety of human history

2324
01:54:45,550 --> 01:54:42,410
appears basically in every culture

2325
01:54:47,620 --> 01:54:45,560
everywhere around the world oh by the

2326
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:47,630
way they happen to drop in on little

2327
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:50,480
silver ships is kind of a fairly new

2328
01:54:58,630 --> 01:54:54,530
wrinkle to that but the reality of some

2329
01:55:02,370 --> 01:54:58,640
sort of interaction is I think very

2330
01:55:04,990 --> 01:55:02,380
significant highly probable we react to

2331
01:55:08,050 --> 01:55:05,000
again my view the the fundamental

2332
01:55:11,280 --> 01:55:08,060
difference in belief systems and in the

2333
01:55:13,810 --> 01:55:11,290
West it tends to be materialistic as

2334
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:13,820
opposed to the folks that I've

2335
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:16,370
interacted with all over the world who

2336
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:19,850
take a spirit world I think I've

2337
01:55:24,670 --> 01:55:21,050
mentioned before it anything with

2338
01:55:27,340 --> 01:55:24,680
shamans that you have shamans who move

2339
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:27,350
seamlessly between the spirit world and

2340
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:29,840
consensus reality or what we call the

2341
01:55:37,570 --> 01:55:33,890
real world where as you know in the West

2342
01:55:39,670 --> 01:55:37,580
if you even believe in the spirit world

2343
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:39,680
it is something that is separate and

2344
01:55:46,060 --> 01:55:43,730
distinct from the quote real world I'm

2345
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:46,070
not sure there's a difference I happen

2346
01:55:54,430 --> 01:55:51,050
to have had experiences certainly talks

2347
01:55:57,850 --> 01:55:54,440
to a the high probability of reality

2348
01:56:01,960 --> 01:55:57,860
that the spirit world or world or worlds

2349
01:56:05,410 --> 01:56:01,970
and that they interact with consensus

2350
01:56:07,710 --> 01:56:05,420
reality as we know it now when you talk

2351
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:07,720
of consensus realities then like a

2352
01:56:14,170 --> 01:56:11,170
collective unconscious no it's like

2353
01:56:17,320 --> 01:56:14,180
collective consciousness I mean reach

2354
01:56:19,930 --> 01:56:17,330
out and you know you're talking on some

2355
01:56:21,940 --> 01:56:19,940
kind of microphone now that's that's

2356
01:56:26,850 --> 01:56:21,950
real you can reach out and touch it and

2357
01:56:30,690 --> 01:56:26,860
feel it and whatnot the spirit world is

2358
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:30,700
certainly sometimes interacts with that

2359
01:56:36,189 --> 01:56:35,210
getting issues such as supports or the

2360
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:36,199
things of

2361
01:56:42,459 --> 01:56:39,650
that nature where you have or spiritual

2362
01:56:47,169 --> 01:56:42,469
healing other kinds of interactions

2363
01:56:52,899 --> 01:56:47,179
information that's provided I think

2364
01:56:56,020 --> 01:56:52,909
those are all indicative um a couple of

2365
01:56:58,930 --> 01:56:56,030
months ago when reality denied first

2366
01:57:02,739 --> 01:56:58,940
came out I mentioned the thing I had an

2367
01:57:05,859 --> 01:57:02,749
incident happened here that I documented

2368
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:05,869
basically as best they could on Facebook

2369
01:57:11,739 --> 01:57:08,570
of all things but I was had an envelope

2370
01:57:14,859 --> 01:57:11,749
that had critical information in it that

2371
01:57:18,279 --> 01:57:14,869
I absolutely needed tore my office

2372
01:57:20,439 --> 01:57:18,289
totally apart looking for it couldn't

2373
01:57:23,529 --> 01:57:20,449
find it even asked my wife if she had

2374
01:57:25,719 --> 01:57:23,539
taken the envelope Oh about it

2375
01:57:28,479 --> 01:57:25,729
let's break you and get the answer what

2376
01:57:36,700 --> 01:57:28,489
happened that envelope with Jean John

2377
01:57:40,910 --> 01:57:39,170
attack of the rock ODEs has been

2378
01:57:42,830 --> 01:57:40,920
well-received by critics and readers

2379
01:57:45,710 --> 01:57:42,840
alike it's a thrill a minute story

2380
01:57:48,020 --> 01:57:45,720
you'll never forget a former US military

2381
01:57:50,300 --> 01:57:48,030
intelligence officer is haunted by

2382
01:57:52,940 --> 01:57:50,310
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

2383
01:57:55,700 --> 01:57:52,950
pleading for his help after a terrible

2384
01:57:57,830 --> 01:57:55,710
battle in outer space but the dreams

2385
01:57:59,810 --> 01:57:57,840
turn out to be true and thrust him into

2386
01:58:02,510 --> 01:57:59,820
a telepathic love affair with a woman

2387
01:58:04,850 --> 01:58:02,520
whose faraway planet is intent on

2388
01:58:07,670 --> 01:58:04,860
destroying the earth and now the

2389
01:58:10,130 --> 01:58:07,680
gripping tale continues in the coming of

2390
01:58:12,770 --> 01:58:10,140
the protectors it's the second book of

2391
01:58:14,930 --> 01:58:12,780
the rock oyster elegy a galaxy spanning

2392
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:14,940
adventure that pits our hapless heroes

2393
01:58:19,820 --> 01:58:17,970
against powerful fanatical enemies that

2394
01:58:22,490 --> 01:58:19,830
threaten the lives of freedom loving

2395
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:22,500
beings everywhere attack of the rock

2396
01:58:27,979 --> 01:58:25,250
ODEs and the coming of the protectors

2397
01:58:30,890 --> 01:58:27,989
classic science fiction at its best

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2399
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2401
01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:39,720
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2402
01:58:44,630 --> 01:58:42,330
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2403
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near think about it our country faces

2404
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2405
01:58:50,390 --> 01:58:48,120
aggressions from Russia and North Korea

2406
01:58:52,070 --> 01:58:50,400
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2407
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2408
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2409
01:58:57,740 --> 01:58:55,770
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2410
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2411
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2413
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2414
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envelope Sean Alexander what happens is

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they came in sat down at the desk of the

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next morning and the envelope was

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sitting between me and the computer at

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arm's length in you know on top of all

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of the things that I had moved to find

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up the day before actually a photograph

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that just put it up immediately and

2485
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first thing is contact my wife did you

2486
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move the envelope absolutely not so it

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100% was not there the night before and

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absolutely was there in the morning and

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she and I were the only ones in the

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house in the intervening period so we

2491
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just happened to turn up yeah the point

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is extensive searching had failed to

2493
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find it the day before and yet when it

2494
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turns up it wasn't like you had to turn

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over something it was lying in plain

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view within arm's reach without any

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extended effort and 100% was not there

2498
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the day before I've seen that happen

2499
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once or twice and didn't think about it

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till you mentioned it where it's an

2501
02:03:23,469 --> 02:03:19,880
obvious place that there's no way on

2502
02:03:25,660 --> 02:03:23,479
earth you would not have seen it no way

2503
02:03:28,089 --> 02:03:25,670
I had this with a pair of reading

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glasses a few weeks ago where it just

2505
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disappeared and I looked all around my

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little office area and I couldn't find

2507
02:03:36,910 --> 02:03:34,729
it fortunately I had a spare but you

2508
02:03:38,950 --> 02:03:36,920
know you and I we get a little older we

2509
02:03:41,979 --> 02:03:38,960
have to have the reading glasses so I

2510
02:03:44,500 --> 02:03:41,989
looked around and one day I'm staring at

2511
02:03:47,259 --> 02:03:44,510
this inkjet printer all-in-one printer

2512
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:47,269
that I have in the corner of the room

2513
02:03:52,450 --> 02:03:51,170
and right in front of it right there are

2514
02:03:54,100 --> 02:03:52,460
the reading glasses

2515
02:03:55,270 --> 02:03:54,110
I stare at that place all the time

2516
02:03:57,340 --> 02:03:55,280
because as I speak to you on the

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microphone the printer is right ahead of

2518
02:04:02,860 --> 02:04:00,260
me I have no idea how it turned up I

2519
02:04:04,870 --> 02:04:02,870
asked my wife did you find this no I

2520
02:04:07,229 --> 02:04:04,880
didn't there's nobody here and the dog

2521
02:04:09,700 --> 02:04:07,239
didn't find it and put it up there yeah

2522
02:04:12,850 --> 02:04:09,710
well that's you know you could say

2523
02:04:15,250 --> 02:04:12,860
that's an argument for why people have

2524
02:04:17,979 --> 02:04:15,260
been believing in elves and fairies and

2525
02:04:20,530 --> 02:04:17,989
little tricksters that go about our

2526
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:20,540
everyday lives and trick us in in very

2527
02:04:25,870 --> 02:04:24,770
mundane fashion you know I'm reminded of

2528
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:25,880
David Politis books

2529
02:04:31,209 --> 02:04:28,370
missing for one one where people have

2530
02:04:33,670 --> 02:04:31,219
been you know searched for by dozens of

2531
02:04:35,350 --> 02:04:33,680
search and rescue personnel for days and

2532
02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:35,360
then all of a sudden one day there they

2533
02:04:39,340 --> 02:04:37,130
are right where people have crisscrossed

2534
02:04:40,990 --> 02:04:39,350
the area you know dozens of times all of

2535
02:04:45,190 --> 02:04:41,000
a sudden there's there's the missing

2536
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:45,200
person there is fire in the sky okay

2537
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:52,850
a good example was some people would say

2538
02:04:59,260 --> 02:04:56,810
not so good but I particularly I think

2539
02:05:01,240 --> 02:04:59,270
Travis I had a real experience not sure

2540
02:05:03,970 --> 02:05:01,250
what it was I'm not even sure he's sure

2541
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:03,980
what it was but but I think that that

2542
02:05:09,310 --> 02:05:08,330
goes to John's point earlier that you

2543
02:05:11,709 --> 02:05:09,320
know we're dealing with something that

2544
02:05:15,220 --> 02:05:11,719
appears to be stove-piped and appears to

2545
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:15,230
be each each of these areas of

2546
02:05:21,580 --> 02:05:17,810
phenomenal events appear to be

2547
02:05:23,020 --> 02:05:21,590
standalone but there is I mean in my

2548
02:05:25,530 --> 02:05:23,030
mind there's got to be some sort of

2549
02:05:28,090 --> 02:05:25,540
connecting mechanism or element that

2550
02:05:31,900 --> 02:05:28,100
connects many of these apparently

2551
02:05:35,740 --> 02:05:31,910
divergent phenomena it connects them

2552
02:05:37,780 --> 02:05:35,750
together and you know what my question

2553
02:05:43,110 --> 02:05:37,790
would be is is what's the point what do

2554
02:05:51,130 --> 02:05:46,709
but one of the things I wrote to in both

2555
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:51,140
UFOs miss conspiracies realities and the

2556
02:05:56,350 --> 02:05:53,570
reality denied is something that we

2557
02:06:00,479 --> 02:05:56,360
called precognitive sentient phenomena

2558
02:06:04,660 --> 02:06:00,489
and this came about because of

2559
02:06:06,040 --> 02:06:04,670
observations at skinwalker ranch and we

2560
02:06:08,709 --> 02:06:06,050
had

2561
02:06:11,350 --> 02:06:08,719
at the events that happened there just

2562
02:06:13,359 --> 02:06:11,360
absolutely beyond belief

2563
02:06:16,020 --> 02:06:13,369
you tried to instrument this is where it

2564
02:06:20,290 --> 02:06:16,030
gets terribly frustrating trying to

2565
02:06:24,189 --> 02:06:20,300
analyze some of the data had the ranch

2566
02:06:26,589 --> 02:06:24,199
instrumented cameras looking 24/7 you

2567
02:06:29,589 --> 02:06:26,599
know time-lapse photography all kinds of

2568
02:06:33,430 --> 02:06:29,599
things and an event would happen so he

2569
02:06:35,290 --> 02:06:33,440
said ah let me try to study that he sent

2570
02:06:37,810 --> 02:06:35,300
up to do that and something else would

2571
02:06:40,930 --> 02:06:37,820
happen and it was like when I say

2572
02:06:44,589 --> 02:06:40,940
precognitive that that there was a it's

2573
02:06:48,129 --> 02:06:44,599
a trickster like phenomena but it knows

2574
02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:48,139
how the researchers are going to respond

2575
02:06:56,040 --> 02:06:53,090
before the observation is even presented

2576
02:06:58,569 --> 02:06:56,050
to them and then as you try to

2577
02:07:01,689 --> 02:06:58,579
understand that at morphs into something

2578
02:07:04,390 --> 02:07:01,699
else oh you like that try this and you

2579
02:07:08,200 --> 02:07:04,400
see something totally different and the

2580
02:07:08,890 --> 02:07:08,210
point is whatever it was it was totally

2581
02:07:12,669 --> 02:07:08,900
in control

2582
02:07:13,780 --> 02:07:12,679
we were not and I think that's true kind

2583
02:07:17,890 --> 02:07:13,790
of across the board

2584
02:07:19,899 --> 02:07:17,900
yeah I agree and I I think it just to me

2585
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:19,909
it's a tantalizing hint that we're

2586
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:22,010
dealing with something that has some

2587
02:07:28,330 --> 02:07:24,530
sort of time manipulation capability

2588
02:07:31,060 --> 02:07:28,340
this all seems to be somehow explained

2589
02:07:33,970 --> 02:07:31,070
by being able to you know the whole

2590
02:07:37,140 --> 02:07:33,980
precognitive aspect of it smacks of some

2591
02:07:40,600 --> 02:07:37,150
sort of time manipulation if time exists

2592
02:07:42,810 --> 02:07:40,610
well it does exist as a construct and

2593
02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:42,820
getting back to your idea of a

2594
02:07:48,459 --> 02:07:46,250
consensual reality we all agree that it

2595
02:07:50,640 --> 02:07:48,469
exists so to a certain degree it does we

2596
02:07:53,919 --> 02:07:50,650
are recording in a two-hour show here

2597
02:07:57,879 --> 02:07:53,929
three hours show but two hours I'm

2598
02:08:00,010 --> 02:07:57,889
talking so with extra dimensional

2599
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:00,020
realities one of the things that comes

2600
02:08:07,049 --> 02:08:03,650
back is the time as we know it does not

2601
02:08:10,569 --> 02:08:07,059
exist it's just a convenience for

2602
02:08:13,950 --> 02:08:10,579
measuring the transiti of events as they

2603
02:08:17,020 --> 02:08:13,960
occur in what we call consensus reality

2604
02:08:18,819 --> 02:08:17,030
right well when you get into the whole

2605
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:18,829
dimensional thing people on the whole

2606
02:08:22,810 --> 02:08:21,050
on the forums are gonna there's several

2607
02:08:24,909 --> 02:08:22,820
individuals that scratch our heads and

2608
02:08:27,489 --> 02:08:24,919
try to figure out what what we mean by

2609
02:08:28,929 --> 02:08:27,499
that when we said well you know we were

2610
02:08:31,029 --> 02:08:28,939
obviously dealing with something from

2611
02:08:33,299 --> 02:08:31,039
another dimension you know it's hard for

2612
02:08:36,250 --> 02:08:33,309
people to understand I think a

2613
02:08:38,319 --> 02:08:36,260
dimensional aspect to many of these

2614
02:08:43,810 --> 02:08:38,329
things that were all so fascinated by

2615
02:08:45,759 --> 02:08:43,820
how would you describe you would think

2616
02:08:48,669 --> 02:08:45,769
but how would you describe the ability

2617
02:08:52,149 --> 02:08:48,679
to you know how is it possible what is

2618
02:08:55,149 --> 02:08:52,159
the actual physical process do you think

2619
02:08:58,089 --> 02:08:55,159
or if you had to venture a guess it

2620
02:09:00,009 --> 02:08:58,099
would allow some sort of dimensional you

2621
02:09:03,250 --> 02:09:00,019
just modify your saying one of the

2622
02:09:06,489 --> 02:09:03,260
physical aspects as obviously some of

2623
02:09:08,709 --> 02:09:06,499
this is non-physical good point it's

2624
02:09:12,129 --> 02:09:08,719
almost like we're dealing with you know

2625
02:09:14,199 --> 02:09:12,139
like cloud technology on some exalted

2626
02:09:16,299 --> 02:09:14,209
level the cloud has always been

2627
02:09:18,609 --> 02:09:16,309
something that's fascinated me and and

2628
02:09:20,379 --> 02:09:18,619
scared me too because I you know I hate

2629
02:09:21,669 --> 02:09:20,389
to think that that you know all my data

2630
02:09:25,179 --> 02:09:21,679
is up there just floating around

2631
02:09:30,419 --> 02:09:25,189
somewhere for whoever has the access

2632
02:09:37,060 --> 02:09:34,119
yeah yeah that's yeah that's definitely

2633
02:09:38,799 --> 02:09:37,070
it's that's uh that's been one term

2634
02:09:40,959 --> 02:09:38,809
that's been used I remember it

2635
02:09:43,679 --> 02:09:40,969
especially from the sixties and

2636
02:09:47,859 --> 02:09:43,689
seventies the J Murat Roberts books and

2637
02:09:49,899 --> 02:09:47,869
and the Doris Lessing I think lesson I

2638
02:09:52,359 --> 02:09:49,909
think she wrote some very interesting

2639
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:52,369
books with that whole concept of over

2640
02:09:58,839 --> 02:09:54,050
souls and under Souls and that sort of

2641
02:10:01,569 --> 02:09:58,849
thing you have second car yeah yeah

2642
02:10:03,909 --> 02:10:01,579
Eckankar supposedly was a gathering in

2643
02:10:07,479 --> 02:10:03,919
some you know isolated underground

2644
02:10:09,189 --> 02:10:07,489
cavern that could only be I think access

2645
02:10:12,189 --> 02:10:09,199
through the astral and they were having

2646
02:10:14,349 --> 02:10:12,199
meetings there and group meditations

2647
02:10:16,540 --> 02:10:14,359
here we're gonna have some mother

2648
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:16,550
meditations and then get back for two

2649
02:10:27,899 --> 02:10:18,530
more segments with John Alexander and

2650
02:10:36,910 --> 02:10:31,510
thank you for listening to GCS

2651
02:10:41,029 --> 02:10:38,989
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02:10:42,979 --> 02:10:41,039
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it yeah that was one of those weird

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groups that you never really knew

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exactly what they were about or what was

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vogue and well anytime you get you get

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can only take so much of that whole vibe

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before I start to develop itches in

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places that I can't find where to

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they've expanded the road between the

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top of the canyon Oakley Canyon and

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Flagstaff because of all the people

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getting killed from hitting elk and

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stretch and and painted the sides of the

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the road they cut it back all the trees

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the road so it's all done finally and

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the whole route coming in from 179 from

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highway 17 rather has been done for a

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number of years but it's all done but it

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for a small little place you know so

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gene take

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get away I mean what thinking I'm taking

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things and I have no idea where to put

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them but I hope I will I think when we

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talk about all this trying to get a

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realistic picture of all sorts of weird

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phenomena going on

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every time I focus on UFOs it seems like

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they're all living in this tiny bubble

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this tiny et bubble you know and nothing

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seems to get in and when you get stories

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like this with the Pentagon's study and

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everything and the work that Bigelow

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supposedly did all you see is no greater

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focus because he believes UFOs or aliens

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he said so pretty much on the 60 minutes

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show when he was on there so we've got

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one eccentric billionaire who believes

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in this stuff and we follow what he does

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unfortunately but the other thing that

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was interesting to me which is I guess

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been confirmed by some of the articles I

2814
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read is that when MUFON had his

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controversial encounter with Bigelow to

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fund some UFO research that was

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apparently government money well we

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don't know that for sure but well the

2819
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timing is pretty spot-on john of the the

2820
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project and ambiguous involvement with

2821
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with MUFON I think that's what James

2822
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carrion feels he was the executive

2823
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director or international director of

2824
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MUFON at the time outside of that loop

2825
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to the best of my knowledge that is not

2826
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accurate you know it's not like he would

2827
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need to dip in I have no special

2828
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knowledge of that I want to but I've

2829
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talked to others and you know who were

2830
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intimately involved and there were from

2831
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their perspective other other

2832
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administrative issues and not so much on

2833
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have never heard inference of that that

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was government money we were in the

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noise level compared to what Bigelow had

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been supporting anyway yeah yeah I

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wouldn't have been that much for him to

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float that that amount of cash if you

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look at how much money he spent over a

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12 13 year period up in Utah I mean he

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was sending his jet up there to respond

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in the same you know within hours of

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events going on there a good bit of the

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time working there but I mean our own

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folks were and I was one of those on

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site periodically right well what were

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you did you have any events up there

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that you personally experienced it that

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you'd like to talk about I know you did

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but are there any that you don't like to

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discuss actually I was the first one to

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spend the night actually the day he

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actually bought the ranch I stayed up

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there alone on top of the Mesa a lot of

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mosquitos large wolves no you know

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cattle mutilators no portals opening up

2857
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in front of the ranch house I've been

2858
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asked about this

2859
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my experience has been that strange

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things happen around me as opposed to to

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me throughout reality tonight where you

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I mean that's what the whole book is

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about you know sometimes firsthand

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experiences with things that can't

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happen but they did the things that

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happen again all over the world and some

2867
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of the military stuff we did happened

2868
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rather than to me around me I can't

2869
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really explain that but I've heard you

2870
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know similar

2871
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some other people yeah so nothing no no

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no you know sitting out in a lawn chair

2873
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as bait

2874
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I think George Knapp mentioned that

2875
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particular incidents where he felt like

2876
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he was being kind of floated out there

2877
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some bait or something and he still to

2878
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this day is not sure how he felt about

2879
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that what's that I've seen UFOs twice

2880
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one was a ranch in state of Washington

2881
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and the other was the one with the crisp

2882
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blood so and well that's one where you

2883
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know we we were describing the event

2884
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sitting there together and he suddenly

2885
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says I think they're here and hold them

2886
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a few seconds the thing popped into view

2887
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some say that was in done for my benefit

2888
02:22:36,631 --> 02:22:34,311
to see it but that sounds like one of

2889
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those cases where they're monitoring

2890
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individuals and kind of doing a little

2891
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routine de crisps you know continue to

2892
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this day emails from him or recently he

2893
02:22:57,281 --> 02:22:54,681
continues to take continuously pictures

2894
02:23:01,060 --> 02:22:57,291
of orbs some of them in the visual

2895
02:23:07,180 --> 02:23:01,070
spectrum others show up once you know we

2896
02:23:18,131 --> 02:23:07,190
haven't you know developed or look at it

2897
02:23:21,310 --> 02:23:18,141
from a digital perspective but we call

2898
02:23:24,451 --> 02:23:21,320
hearing anything about the orb project

2899
02:23:29,711 --> 02:23:26,980
there was something that the Bigelow had

2900
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some study I think some of its security

2901
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guys

2902
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at least I know of at least one security

2903
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guard who was given instructions to

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constantly be taking pictures and be

2905
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extra vigilant when you know one shot

2906
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would have no orbs in them and the next

2907
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shot would be filled with yes at the

2908
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ranch security personnel at the ranch

2909
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and one of these security guards did

2910
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mention something about the orb project

2911
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and I'd never really heard any other

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references to that no you're gonna have

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more one more segment with Colonel John

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B Alexander and Chris O'Brien and Jean

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about orbs all right

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cast the gold standard of paranormal

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radio so Chris is being possessed by an

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orb isn't it I just thought orbs were

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just blemishes from the lenses or

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flashes particulate matter the ones in

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the visual spectrum I think are

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important as opposed to just things that

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show up when you're doing the film I

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have some that were taken this was in

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the latter category but Chris was out

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we're up on Mount Charleston about the

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9,000 foot level and I had taking a

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series of pictures and some of them are

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perfectly clear and others they're

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floating out there where'd that come

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from

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seconds between taking the photos No

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yeah I've had that happen to I think a

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lot of it though is out of focus

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particular matter close to the camera

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being illuminated by the flash but but

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I've also seen orbs with the naked eye

3037
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and taking pictures of them and I've

3038
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seen squirrely little worms that of

3039
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light that are toying around in the air

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and photograph them so there are real

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orbs and then there are artifacts

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digital artifact orbs there's no doubt

3043
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that if you use a flash and there's dust

3044
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in the air you know that you can get a

3045
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non-muslim illumination there's but

3046
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again there's others that defies

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description

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yeah exactly yeah and it does it does

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tend to be a precursor to the potential

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of other things happening just like in

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the San Luis Valley we had what appear

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to be like giant bottle rockets that

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fizzle out

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they're not meteors they've been

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reported leaving behind smoke trails

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I've seen one underneath a completely

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uniform overcast sky actually arching

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over trees about a thousand feet below

3059
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me so they are some sort of localized

3060
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phenomenal manifestation but they tend

3061
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to happen and then we get a wave of you

3062
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know several days or even weeks of UFO

3063
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activity other anomalous type activity

3064
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and then there'll be another spate of

3065
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these cheap fireworks as I call them and

3066
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the wave will be over it's almost like

3067
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they announced the wave coming in and

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they announced the end of the wave is

3069
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the only real pattern that I could

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discern and it was a fairly distinct

3071
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pattern and I think orbs may potentially

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have that we may be able to use them as

3073
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a way to alert ourselves and maybe other

3074
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things are going on this is just my

3075
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intuition about it but but that's that's

3076
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my kind of might might hit on it well

3077
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there's an interesting case that's very

3078
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well known but there's other aspects to

3079
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it I'm sure you know dr. Lynn khatai and

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the famous Phoenix light but you know

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she has taken photos from her house

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which is a little bit above the Phoenix

3083
02:32:16,011 --> 02:32:12,870
space in there sure enough has seen

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things down below well across the area

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that may show up on the bill

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yep you know we haven't had Linda on the

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show in a while well you know it's

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interesting I think I interviewed her

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once for after the power cast very

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briefly maybe 30 40 minutes and then it

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goes back to the earliest days of the

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show so so John what what is on your

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radar what are you now involved with do

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you have any projects that you're

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working on anything you've taken a break

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how's the book doing it seems to be

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doing very well on Amazon it's up there

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and one of the better sellers and the

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several categories that it's listed in

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what's on your radar which is really

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good if you're in five fingers you're

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kind of a straight world and looking at

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the quintessence between football

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climate change gun control and tobacco

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what I think the common factor is there

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I can't wait to see that the common

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factor is willful ignorance the ability

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to ignore data I think it certainly

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applies in the UFO and other phenomena

3110
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or region is it people just choose to

3111
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ignore the obvious yes on both sides of

3112
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the the belief system so any trips

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planned are you gonna be heading

3114
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overseas anytime soon or not sure we're

3115
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looking at going to Sri Lanka and I want

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to go out and dive with whale sharks so

3117
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I haven't done that one yet Wow

3118
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plan to do that shortly well that would

3119
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be fun well where do you do that up in

3120
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Coldwater or is that warm water do it

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off Belize Mexico or in the Gulf you

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also get them on the Pacific side or

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else will show up in the Red Sea but I

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think I will use one of the ones is

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closer yeah yeah I wouldn't want to be

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heading over in that part of the world

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for any reason right now myself I'm just

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allergic to the war the quart of ashes

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is to hope he calls it well it's been

3130
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great having you back on the show we

3131
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really appreciate you doing a quick

3132
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turnaround I know we just had you on a

3133
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month ago but this this whole story I

3134
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think is important and you are the

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perfect person in our minds to comment

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on it from a you know a place of

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authority and in cogent so I mean it's

3138
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always great having you on the show

3139
02:35:02,180 --> 02:35:00,360
where do you think all this is gonna go

3140
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I mean do you think that Tom DeLonge saw

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a group in the the August team that he

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has assembled is going to be able to

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make any headway let's say they did get

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some funding are we gonna be seeing it

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something good somebody's gonna have to

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step up with serious funding other than

3147
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that this is going to be

3148
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another incident that will in five years

3149
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you'll talk about you say remember the

3150
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time we'll make a footnote I don't think

3151
02:35:33,830 --> 02:35:30,440
it's gonna last five years John I think

3152
02:35:36,860 --> 02:35:33,840
with look back from the five-year

3153
02:35:39,320 --> 02:35:36,870
perspective yeah I think we'll look back

3154
02:35:42,470 --> 02:35:39,330
from a one-year perspective and see oh

3155
02:35:43,880 --> 02:35:42,480
yeah that was a flash in the pan I don't

3156
02:35:47,120 --> 02:35:43,890
know about that I wouldn't I wouldn't go

3157
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that far or boots sell at that short I

3158
02:35:51,710 --> 02:35:48,870
think there is a little bit of sticking

3159
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power you've this has been a bit of a

3160
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paradigm shift you know

3161
02:35:59,120 --> 02:35:56,010
reluctantly I think some people will

3162
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agree to that and I think I think it's

3163
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gonna have a little bit more staying

3164
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power than your then well from a

3165
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:06,510
five-year perspective maybe not but from

3166
02:36:10,610 --> 02:36:08,010
a one or two year perspective I think

3167
02:36:13,640 --> 02:36:10,620
it's it's still sensational enough for

3168
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people to to you know hold on to it as

3169
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the the next great hope for for a

3170
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disclosure and for you know the

3171
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benevolent space brothers to finally

3172
02:36:25,550 --> 02:36:23,280
come and solve all our problems for us

3173
02:36:27,500 --> 02:36:25,560
you know people are gonna be holding on

3174
02:36:29,120 --> 02:36:27,510
to that actually I think we shouldn't

3175
02:36:31,910 --> 02:36:29,130
call them benevolence space brothers

3176
02:36:33,800 --> 02:36:31,920
they have to be real cretins to watch

3177
02:36:37,630 --> 02:36:33,810
all the suffering and do nothing about

3178
02:36:42,680 --> 02:36:40,000
[Music]

3179
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John Alexander please tell our listeners

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where they can find more of the things

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you do website easiest thing to do there

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just google my name John B Alexander B

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is the middle initial and I'll pop up

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pretty early if you put in UFO or

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anything like that it'll pop up and

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that's the best way I'm also on Facebook

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and I've decided that the universe has

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think you're being optimistic I think

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it's already dead you can find us on

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show up and send us a message Chris

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O'Brien site is our strange planet calm

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strange planet calm we also invite you

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to check out our other radio show it's

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called after the para cast it's

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unpredictable we never know from week to

3201
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week what we'll do in fact we may even

3202
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have stuff that we forgot we did like

3203
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having dr. Lin kita come on there and

3204
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talk about the Phoenix lights one week

3205
02:38:08,090 --> 02:38:05,189
another week Nick Pope the fellow who is

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at the Ministry of Defense in the UK got

3207
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a hold of UFO matters and it turns out

3208
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he is a fan of conspiracy theories it's

3209
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after the power cast part of the para

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a week our price cheap Colonel Alexander

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